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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 O" b. W5 ?' u: P1 P* |/ ?0 C& yWhy bank will sell 借據給第三者???) k/ b3 O0 l8 `0 r% X8 b* b
I was so confused.....
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6 W$ d( d) b# x# J講到尾都係賺錢
- K" j$ H' g; d% t0 Lso銀行可以不斷放款; Z; K7 p  _: E# D; F1 |1 w  j3 u
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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& P2 M+ n; C9 r/ _6 i; q  umortgage loan
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0 H+ F5 q9 c7 Z>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)+ f# U4 k2 ~# X7 _
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation); y3 |2 j* [' A! o& \) j& @
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return./ ~: b3 e" h9 q- k5 S
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
8 Y; d% V( Z  @5 G% _$ q3 [5 \) D6 Umore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
# U+ q3 l; T  g* u5 jmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,$ K( F: R" C, {0 C3 I* d1 Q. K) q
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
% o9 S4 h& L, l4 [! d4 AAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.6 I+ Q+ [$ C1 n$ p' z
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,* I% Z' P7 P) t/ [# u7 P
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 9 l/ ?) R' g( p
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. ( w5 l/ @  F  y  H
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 v8 v. `9 f+ f, K) Y, U
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.: i7 L7 G3 D( o& o3 h% u% Z0 X
For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,! K/ [! Y+ G) w* d5 L
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
; t, D* T' N$ {4 Z) h- mThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. % Z* W) Q/ W( |* M
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.( N, G& G& G9 @. i; K# S) Z

3 d2 D& I, [7 F9 S% e1 K[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
( a# ~4 K3 J; b4 i& \4 aRefer to last example,6 k9 d7 J: W; q, W$ `* {7 ~
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 2 l9 X( d# h, T# G
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 1 }4 p8 b5 l! H% W- H
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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3 b3 [# J# A( a' _0 EA->B->C->D->E! r$ ~' d& g/ q: W; `$ o
so does it mean if E failed to pay D,
, S3 v+ l6 x5 j/ Iall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?' s2 X7 J  V2 N& g% N9 E( C2 J

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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
1 H1 n. ^! h/ Q0 L4 v0 ein this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ( A" M6 W1 A0 s3 F9 P+ I; U+ e1 V
it's the problem of the debt itself.
: c, A  b, u9 @3 Y: A4 mthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif- d# [* I5 g' \' P& t. S6 q. F
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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/ K. L8 t  e. T" m無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答6 o2 T; ]; H" h0 {
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Thanks
+ w' R2 i+ D$ l& ]0 v% Y那些根本係 紙上財富  
4 n( A' A- \: G" u6 M2 L各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic- k% D! p) U/ i% [7 c4 k6 L7 x# j) k

( ^: g* M' P/ `9 Z+ P8 vhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
. i; }) d. c; v% ^( h0 ~當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
+ `( |7 }9 q% U於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊1 Z" ?/ D* N! Y
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦* h# B2 {& A9 f+ ?& Y/ G3 ^
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
' e5 k- ]" m' w' u' z計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
8 `; I. x9 y8 d; c前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
% r2 ~$ S( r; H  `) H同埋個市場既前境要係好先得% p5 |' J" `3 g; y- n0 X6 U, W
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
, c7 J1 U: l; g- @- z例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
+ d: H- S1 T1 u% G3 P' p咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ Y& ^8 r% d; {8 S
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁1 p/ G8 n* e; J/ k' N# H
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, * W& F- B/ n: ^
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
% u* y' ?/ X& a7 q- Y1 k淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
4 K- V2 d4 i' A4 m7 [; ~: K1 ], O呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
3 F4 c% k* Y! [+ y咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
9 l  T) a& w- h- W唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
& G8 P( X1 k+ J2 {淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 p& O$ W, k) j$ I$ k# R" H; k" m
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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正係咁樣/ J4 n' j9 E# ]) T2 t  P
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業" n! k# B# o( T% ~" ~
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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, q$ l1 O$ q+ {( e+ x再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
% P6 z  ]) W6 [  V連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票4 }$ O. X# Y' @
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
) k9 o. M. W3 a$ {4 @7 e, U2 L編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif) T! Z, g2 y3 \4 u
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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) L" H- x# F1 a其實係..." b2 D! w9 t/ \% S
因為以前未生產, 先消費
. C: D! A: z" B+ T* n& H而家就要多生產, 少消費
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