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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif* p& v, f  v4 k* X8 W/ x9 ^
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???
: {, _$ U* \% I  |- w; g3 XI was so confused.....
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+ P6 {0 g8 h& a- S! R講到尾都係賺錢
# C) @% |6 U' a$ b# z; ~  yso銀行可以不斷放款
: ?0 F) `# }7 N美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界3 }' \9 g% j* W2 S3 a' N& E: P- I
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mortgage loan - {& O: j0 P6 W8 b* J5 }- v4 _+ ~
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.& A) R. V( ~( F* y0 }: P- X
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
; d% H  x( _2 Q& \+ Jmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.
6 M$ x' {: |' U6 U1 lmain reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,0 V3 h' J2 [' R5 D
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; }2 Q2 D1 N0 t9 p- _( o4 NAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.
# R6 E) r) a* Z$ {+ esimilar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
) p: N- K! R0 J6 `& Y" bnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. # `- x6 g1 Z( s1 c' g; n1 v
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
7 Q, N- C, ~. s7 z1 Gbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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im not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
. X, ]( D& S4 c* M' [* C+ Vin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
( C9 J; S1 V- e: O! w, ?. o8 iFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12," P3 I' N* U  D8 b) a$ H* E
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
$ g& g( W* T5 L7 }- K' Q/ a* DThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
8 b( Q% o" a) K- W" mbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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: ]& E& V6 ]! V5 j: X$ L6 j[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif# d  S! o, X; H- p
Refer to last example,
- W- @+ B! z) |7 `that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
; |/ k6 |6 A5 y8 ^  Z& |+ s* G5 s0 `Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 6 n; t* c6 O: B* M% L% q( X& v
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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+ Y/ K. ^3 J: M0 n1 x/ O; CA->B->C->D->E
& N' D# p* H! o3 Y# v7 L5 s* vso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
5 E  c  f+ S$ X" S% f' E! Fall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?# r  d; G( q& q' b$ ^7 B4 O/ k
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, {$ C' n, H+ e, h# dthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
& y  `9 `6 A+ k# }in this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
' e% L. F/ i/ M% Q9 o* F1 Y  z% `it's the problem of the debt itself.
& t$ z0 N3 ]  B$ B! sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif3 D; m$ b8 Y' T* E
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?& C$ [+ T' a. |6 o0 h# @. i; T& j
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無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...
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敬請各師兄解答- k& |4 D0 Q7 y% N% l

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那些根本係 紙上財富  2 p9 d+ U& W* \- L
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic2 S! [! s8 e/ U; r. E
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 G5 K6 b1 M* O
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高
1 a( z8 {  P" f1 M/ t# ?* E於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
! G3 M8 L& J) R* J7 @" m: Q" C2 e: k個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦# m" ^. W# A$ f- j* j, Q& y
扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,0 K/ o- P4 J$ c' L% c0 s0 r" |
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺- M% V! P4 J: E
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
1 _  e8 l& b' G( y: g8 [同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
4 N1 O4 ]6 e  G  c1 V# N但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
) g/ ~5 J* @$ ~! G5 m例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
* t# M2 ~, p& W3 h5 g) {) v5 U1 l咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%( k) n9 L' V  `/ x5 w1 c+ T3 }6 z
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁8 B1 Z# L3 h% c; ~5 H
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你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, . w  M$ X3 W# N
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, 7 v: ~& w$ P. R  B1 W
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, + G/ Y2 s  t. u0 Q2 J" u$ X9 D
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
0 N% x. D3 R2 Q9 c+ X3 w# Q: T唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
. J" T5 x8 \+ O' T. P" E- l淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, : Y. D1 ~  [3 @# s4 H0 ]5 b& ^
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行, V5 p* s" _: _  n5 A1 i
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣. G4 R. q- O& {8 w
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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8 Z# t2 ?! i" e7 \再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,2 I, a$ X9 Z" }" O# l7 S- D
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票: j' \& P& ~0 I6 _2 J7 ]5 X1 x% h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產1 W/ g: o/ K! h8 h% ?$ }; f
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif  f9 [4 \' ?  R, c( k( Y2 [, i/ z
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...
8 y2 x5 x! K. J" x& y因為以前未生產, 先消費
  h8 q" m+ g9 N$ c) Q( A/ R而家就要多生產, 少消費
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