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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif1 @6 a3 \8 n7 N$ |# A! m% I" q* h
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???) U! k) W7 k8 `3 S! y
I was so confused.....
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8 e  j8 H( T5 o1 U- h! k講到尾都係賺錢
$ m9 H9 S4 |9 i0 |2 p  nso銀行可以不斷放款
7 M1 |& [+ `' g, A3 v美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界
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mortgage loan
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>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)9 f- j4 D# F. Y) S2 f
>arranger9 W* w5 f" C1 u, T3 b
>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.# P6 I" |: l0 ?4 j- w1 ]
CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,2 v, N7 |2 X9 G) l/ I; y2 F
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 d9 B  y  |/ {5 ^
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,% _8 x5 _- ~4 j4 D) R" ?8 g# K) u
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
7 n( E# y. X, B6 Z& c) XAlso, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.& r7 N5 R( a6 d1 p. @0 S
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
" U, O+ a! I7 b' g$ z6 A( rnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest. 7 M$ r9 n) C# p0 c" q
eg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future.
) V1 l" w& S; U# ^. p7 r, Cbanks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party., {; l, m# N8 w, u

9 i, y# A1 Q$ H, oim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.
& [3 a6 q* f8 I9 `4 Tin stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
% p! _+ b* i1 e2 y" Y8 c: |For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,9 K5 H  T( G8 K; H% [
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.9 `) B" n! }' v( e! R% b2 d
The capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. ( _, J" H, o3 F- q
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.! S) o) H) ~) X, \+ C9 Z

3 i/ {& d* A2 B& H6 ?' r' ~- a[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
! U/ j% j) C  y/ YRefer to last example,0 A% s( ?4 `* o9 A* }
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 6 o) _. S$ n. U  L: g8 |. V( ^8 j
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand 2 w% v5 b! V) |! H
therefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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/ w6 v% l" |, b; G0 }A->B->C->D->E5 q- x+ S3 b5 x( D6 y
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, 7 R' |1 J( V6 k& U
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?$ i0 r2 u& I6 A) ^
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
/ n1 W- @5 _% @& b' ?" Tin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
3 q% n. B, Q& ~% Wit's the problem of the debt itself.; q! g0 b5 V1 D) E$ }) S2 C5 u
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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1 ]8 R0 p; U. N" Y/ f9 Z* Y無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...6 ^# Y8 n+ f+ V6 ]9 v4 h2 x
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敬請各師兄解答
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那些根本係 紙上財富  " y  N3 g: Z7 f& h
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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8 L6 o2 R+ i: @2 L' T3 Phttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產1 L/ B; H6 i6 I% h; ?* }# |( _
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高( P$ O- V* |  ]% S$ g
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊
4 F* d2 _6 {0 D" n1 C6 T個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
5 j9 S4 K( W. u/ S0 e9 W  W扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
$ V) i; z# B! d# Q# O1 W5 D計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺; D) ]5 [4 {) _5 \8 A4 Z/ {; X" }
前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法/ V  A4 m4 r( t& X& H7 x
同埋個市場既前境要係好先得; _2 t! k8 r( A' [
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺7 h; l' p; J: T( x
例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; A' x% l5 y# h" o1 E4 e* Q- G咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
) X4 s1 ?( j) u7 {$ O% g所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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) n& E% f" D6 n/ H你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, 0 r! e! |# A/ @3 Y8 p4 l. T
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
1 C: _; r1 [& t8 \$ V( J: H淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, / I* z5 B4 e; k, a2 V& `
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
, ]3 B3 r+ g" G/ X唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, , g# y! R9 t7 g: _; t+ \
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
1 z' C4 k" J. |% }4 p呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
( t8 R! n( U; K咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
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一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產
" l! ]' h, \- `編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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其實係...
: D3 H+ q1 \0 v0 w6 o0 z% J因為以前未生產, 先消費
+ K; g0 P% M% k" b1 m3 P" J而家就要多生產, 少消費
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