Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; @+ Z6 f$ |' W6 z( j- x9 J8 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ z1 `0 o2 c* u& @$ o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- ?5 j0 _" Q4 l9 }+ kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! }2 T1 S* R5 ~2 P( u$ }" d. ]3 S
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....+ W# f  D0 R& z2 z8 Y6 B# J2 s
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 c4 x, i% |& `) U! w, }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:- Y5 z. r; l0 u1 v1 |) y
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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' e# H& \$ V! T/ |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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. ]6 Y3 B, U, P2 U. G  iLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
$ ?/ }0 W% Z$ l3 AYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: o' n8 Y1 l( T4 R% H. f
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 p" V( K- |. r) l' w  i
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"* X- x+ V8 }1 @  Z( B% ^) Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 E0 v4 M0 @8 @- D  c6 [
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
# u3 }* `& z% I" H4 b這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全. {- D9 a3 p1 r0 a7 Z
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. R4 T! L6 S- U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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& I" r% }# G* [+ b) y. `一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 v6 Z: Q  n  K
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,* |/ C: o1 d. O/ D' u  |- D
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 D0 e" b9 u4 [' R

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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( o3 X4 w( j+ v( I% f.............信耶穌... ...

9 r8 a7 ]5 z; t/ a# w+ ?Regarding the resurrection....
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( M3 q9 k! X. ?- W$ `9 aActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# D3 E+ L* M/ C1 b6 P' RYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.