Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; B& |. g/ ^' O/ c0 z5 P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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% p* h" ?6 g  v  g1 l道理我知道好多只係做吳到6 U0 ]7 I+ t$ P9 L' I
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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% t) s" n6 @6 ONobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 w4 U: M/ u0 A9 F
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: S4 a  ?, p( y/ \3 \
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....4 @8 _" o* I- M$ ]* r
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
8 L; _* C* o$ |5 o6 R8 c' D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
, G  `% f' S/ e8 T' y' |以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! g3 `! C7 X' ~& t6 u在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...8 J6 m6 C( R1 x2 ~, e! G% `  w
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
/ B" [% J9 v1 o$ Y- C) e' A+ Q& K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 n$ k7 Q9 f( N& @* s

9 Z5 f# j7 g2 v! t. EI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread./ H% z& X# T) `+ q/ I1 \2 l
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 g* H0 X+ z: p% A
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
9 l6 ?( `( ]( E3 n  y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"6 u/ \1 P# j0 \9 p4 t$ V9 ^
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
& \, O( P/ G7 t* c# Z( pbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* {; N0 s3 R) V, A% }, t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us " b" C; U6 C* R% z9 k
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ x- A3 r& m3 w
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- i+ l8 h7 G5 g1 S9 b8 q
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,. m% U' _0 b7 z0 ~
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全* s* w* l1 q3 E2 S! N: i: w& C& L
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,, X6 ]8 M& \4 C. C1 ~2 b3 p
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" v$ h# Q+ M- P! m+ t

) G" |! c  Y9 U3 d# G導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,$ Q6 t) i) C( E; ]' ?" @2 ~
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,' G, v; Y: `: p8 d: P5 T
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,3 |# W/ l) n$ _1 C/ H* n8 P
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法. y9 [, b$ k+ }0 ?5 I7 O; V* s  Y% ~
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: x% q5 {7 e. E( ^3 M

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( Q+ \. `4 M8 [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,0 R: j. [6 s  s( m, a& N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; R, w4 M- y" M8 K5 p8 J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............6 u2 Z4 Q. {; N: ?1 r0 y; Z- u# K

: ], {1 p; I$ I信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  c1 _) t# U; q1 a
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
+ n* z( _) c. x- ?.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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+ x7 i5 O0 \; B" P, S" X& BActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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$ p6 O) r* G1 J5 R4 n$ DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.