Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 v' R3 W% `6 f; Q) h9 K( K: M4 I我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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& Q( i1 V$ T) T5 q. r道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 j# E0 s1 ?  T
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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3 `0 v  K2 C/ QNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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5 W1 b) U  d# s  ^8 D8 T4 [mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( @# k( X* Y, g- m8 Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!  [" y! t0 [' y" L
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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! O1 O% P! ?+ ]0 ^) ]因為我是情感比理性強的人9 @- L7 d0 O+ g0 P5 `( D2 r
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,: b& [0 u, E! Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
! ~: B; }7 E7 n- _; a$ ]/ t在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
1 A/ `" _* e+ Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 9 k. x& v  r4 X- \9 s

3 k& m4 i" T1 D9 B3 x4 x! zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 s3 i6 Q6 J1 X+ K( VLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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( M5 @) B* L' O5 \( O& p"不信也沒損失"3 V* d/ ?% C( @/ n& `' c- z$ Q
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# j! f- c9 p! Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
: \$ X$ z3 x3 B; ^  C/ Qsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us % n6 _8 Z$ B0 O/ Z. r! V
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"/ A/ g( P& z; D, T8 g
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 w; r0 z" {1 M2 k* U  K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 b; g0 Z+ X$ {7 ~* |3 R! `4 l
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 q: n6 V4 r0 S8 Y/ m
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
6 ^: N+ e; z# X2 u5 E) k8 Q3 s1 W而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
. f8 j% T8 z) z0 O好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,  q/ F; W3 a$ g' D! c4 s

' b4 B! f0 I+ _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ w7 X7 X9 l" Z$ n$ v
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
* b" m+ J( f  n* @" H美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具, W+ d  d% f6 e$ J1 @
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,3 d* }  ~( X0 u4 O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 ^3 {  N, J$ h, C$ L

3 j4 M' ^* ~+ s3 {以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% \! l: u& {5 G. O
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!3 N7 e, F8 U2 m8 }

& ]- \& _: }1 B我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* }$ I& R" |) x5 \9 I
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" m7 U9 [5 n3 X* A" p. h
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....( K* C; I9 o5 \* E
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.