Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  [8 z: S0 Y3 O5 P7 w我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: E8 J9 I# |4 {9 R( {! m8 T. i又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
# k* A/ S# e& t5 U- ^% n) T6 i: z道理我知道好多只係做吳到* s/ q; n# I  Q3 e, t, z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) u9 y- X) Z& Z( i2 y% z/ b
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....( d# Z. v: @& G, Q$ g: a

9 H' L' L( R( F/ ~% kmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....4 a7 b! _* S7 p* L3 `% R

" E& @. f6 q+ ?+ A7 L4 G+ j7 @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!; i# y' v. Z" Q9 e  u% m. ]- y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................3 Q, b7 S0 L7 D9 G2 C
真的!!這不是反話
* {( h- L8 l9 ?1 U% E  T因為我是情感比理性強的人" o" C0 w& T% f8 N- o  l1 G) [6 k9 t
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 {. e8 o+ E" a
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,4 a( C- d" W, R* [0 d
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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+ Z9 ?2 R3 n7 p4 L: @3 p& f0 zWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo7 y, b8 s+ t, X6 y5 U" r2 e* q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 X3 w6 \1 B' s9 V" l+ _" R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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4 k7 Z& ?" w8 a5 a* L  o3 Uit's starting because we have sins......
# n: R2 ~' ~. b' G1 e' dsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
6 ~: |6 y. o" m3 J& t5 h9 z  lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
- {3 U" n- h+ m: C只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 O  F: E( m4 Q, \) [9 \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 P" m9 t$ A7 o$ j. z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) u- O. C6 U4 Z  S* h如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,' z0 D  I; B( o$ S- s
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~+ g4 z9 U- s+ S" v% d1 E. N
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,4 ?6 Y6 q  z3 J- s! P3 x' |
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,6 _7 e, M$ V/ @: U
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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! T8 Y# P# D8 U* A+ M宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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9 z7 j, x  [1 D3 B1 R吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,- j2 {0 u, L8 P5 m. E; b3 D0 q; A! }
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............! v' b8 O# C2 z
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 {! X! E) v7 Z: A
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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1 r. C8 ^  |3 G# S) ~4 ^- ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 \. l  k! E5 u* D: }
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....$ e7 U8 v& A9 S* j. p# N; @7 K+ N  J

* \+ g8 w5 N: C! r. e4 \Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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9 F* L$ }. ^, d0 U* YYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.