Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
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又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* t2 A/ w1 w3 G$ A1 P
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!! E* ~; m7 {+ d" }

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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! S; ~4 N3 p' X7 S- P' g
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
" A1 }1 W+ S0 F2 H- ^6 acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話( A+ b* S8 ^7 |- A& e# P. f5 t
因為我是情感比理性強的人: p" j" N, U1 b) \
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. w$ ^7 S9 U2 f1 {6 H9 n, o0 Q* X$ g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ J1 u* @1 ^! E& g5 ?
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?" V1 w: X, q8 Y

3 R" l8 z6 v5 rJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( V/ m) h. Y' ]/ ?) H
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 A% Z! `' ]8 }8 S
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
+ T( @( M8 {5 O' T, Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求": j/ I4 \6 S  \" \( z3 j0 y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,1 S& [% e/ S! Q; G% _  U
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
6 I4 `: @1 U- p  h這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
6 i( f1 I7 k! W3 ^0 m! ~1 P0 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
, g6 U7 Q/ c$ I; `( j6 l而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~5 k* V/ D% Z% [) w+ Z1 X
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,1 A2 f" }! O3 H1 D. F
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- B0 W9 k2 U# l7 g9 }3 d
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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$ g8 s, G- r" I8 `以下是其他人的見解,. [: b4 F% t$ E) @" g- X
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤' O: G$ `* X* z8 U+ T9 R
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!, \+ b+ K" e0 s, G/ p! l5 o6 p

2 _7 W$ S7 m* }: E: h4 L4 @. s7 [& q不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 i2 y8 @# S  z6 r: k) k5 ]我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 b6 W2 r7 e# j
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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