Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
9 e( h9 C% A5 m& v# G# `! }1 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
9 I) B$ z  M! ~- U- D* s0 k* f. s2 c又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
' R7 |$ Q! G7 e/ |道理我知道好多只係做吳到0 l' r2 g* X8 B9 h5 D% X7 w  X
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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; v; E  v& O( I- r; NNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ ^) }0 H2 i! J

! G6 Y4 a$ r! N  LNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  F0 s8 j: l2 Jmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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( m. l# p( L9 a5 Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 c* M( P7 d, f( D+ V* u% _cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
' F3 V+ k) f1 _6 ]4 \- R, D我只不過微小的基督徒...................
  ~3 M. u0 ]* s$ t1 D) s真的!!這不是反話
1 m5 W! n+ r4 D! C9 g因為我是情感比理性強的人
9 t/ Z) }" s6 P9 {" j所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,$ ^/ C7 J1 m3 J& J- g
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 e% _6 \- t5 z* t
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:7 l; L: O* r' W; ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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, _1 E7 `1 R! u- ]4 tWhat a statement we have here?
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! Y; Q. O* V0 n/ `8 K$ p2 Z4 O" I" p. ?Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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/ H# V0 X  T8 F1 W, r' }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.% }" |& f# X; b* d* Q1 w! Q

' Y9 i" l( g+ V3 KLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:' p( k" e8 l  z5 s) {% J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# x; @! B+ r8 z6 ?7 ]
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...../ [" Q4 M' h5 @5 |4 V: `2 o0 t
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 K, c) T6 a0 Z- n; ~( Oit's starting because we have sins......
, v* R2 W' Q+ {7 z+ c; r5 {satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
( \2 |# d3 N+ E9 j7 }7 Nour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 @- D9 Z# |8 b: [) W5 f6 p只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,2 E( z) X- y5 d- h9 ?7 F) \' u
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
3 W0 g2 b+ G- y! q7 S這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: b: G# A5 x0 F% l8 A, w! c- Q5 Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
& @+ f" X5 n0 j# }而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~& H& ?: \1 F5 ~8 L0 F9 D
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
0 }$ O  A0 S: w$ i# J+ }好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,* [* u( P6 {/ L* G7 u( h) t, y

, Z: V/ c- B) x( d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ F: z8 k3 k1 A8 X. e改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
3 c* ~# L) |: A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...+ W' Q! T. W! j
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干% M$ p; G% E. V

; ?2 D$ b7 j* G# B7 W6 N$ H' a* G以下是其他人的見解,
- v, b; w  \! `7 o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............" J4 q! c$ Y7 V7 h  c3 T- X

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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!+ _+ e, V! |( }& {5 H( w: ^
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
9 P2 M8 @- @; L/ ~6 P% y.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.