Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
$ w* ]& _8 v9 F( B我係一個連自己都吳信的人
/ s( k! s& d' D又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢# M$ U4 Q4 t' y( u* {. k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到1 \' z/ @& Y: E$ X2 m7 \: u5 A7 ~
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' R0 j. _' o* o. [' k; @2 V+ @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!) F, Q+ N+ R# \" r; q+ T
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% _* T4 p, ]& g8 G" I  d2 r

9 B) ~5 I+ \$ D: K- ^+ \  H+ Pmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ ~. T; J7 E; C2 [我只不過微小的基督徒.................... {4 s5 c0 F- W+ n0 r( ?5 J
真的!!這不是反話
$ e# U8 v! ^  h因為我是情感比理性強的人  S4 |( f! E+ T7 I, P
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:5 P- c1 ], e& l" [( r0 l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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6 f4 g9 ~- F: ]. k1 u% iJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- ?# c, \8 V. s+ n/ f1 h% D2 }I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo; i+ [/ H8 X3 J6 |- z
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:. y& z- _! k: f7 e+ ]" I7 b; e) C& z
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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0 f+ j$ ?7 I, _. \! A5 a"不信也沒損失"
. ~  ]8 }9 ?7 |. K3 BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... X) V6 j- i' n) Z
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......3 B9 F$ Y# p* v7 o/ H0 S  m+ q* {

5 u3 H: U( a9 a" Y) d( V4 c6 m% eit's starting because we have sins......1 @' j" [, c8 w# a; D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . x" [. h: w+ N2 f" e
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; P  u; ?" }# u1 p1 h
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
) w% [) \! f* t' o: i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
# M- w9 L* J. f8 J/ h' O  a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,  k0 z$ }: f! _7 N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
  [9 z5 Q: ^# _" A: T美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  y8 f" }/ [8 P) C

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# ?& }+ S* _! v

+ k, J* |" |# y% {信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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2 x! K& r( C. v- m- z& `不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ [! L% W7 Y4 j$ ]
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!  X$ C2 o4 j6 P0 P6 _
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 [0 r& O5 k5 V1 g5 L% f% W
.............信耶穌... ...

0 ?6 ^1 F# M7 _; qRegarding the resurrection....$ T1 j: e5 \0 }) r: g  I
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.