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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:. e1 x5 w9 x/ X
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  a9 `4 E/ J. i智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:' L8 \; U6 b3 Y. p

# A* @9 y& r" A& W3 \  zbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 Y" a( m2 `/ y5 |6 }2 K* p2 f6 }
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' {$ H% m+ `! `But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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! ?$ p$ a  _) a- b: c: H其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
  {8 _9 M; t, n% CIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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6 M' D: f: e0 V  dAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:* `  u0 d2 h9 N# v2 \7 Z+ w
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. u6 P. J5 ?1 q  I, ]Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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0 y9 j- ]& J& f/ B2 O) ~3 x& _: B- S他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:+ E2 p7 Z6 I2 ^* H, N0 T
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:! ~/ U+ t$ }+ R. g4 z

5 k" n8 `4 R) ~8 {( p* F8 qyes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......