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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:" }1 o4 y2 c/ P, P
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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6 x( N) c. W; i1 W4 C# L9 Dbut 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.. o' j' X0 r+ O$ O- i+ \  `% V5 V6 \
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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7 o4 ]* m% |5 [5 m/ _' B( rBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:( v; D) H1 y; O  [1 h, i

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see #22 Thus
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0 `2 c5 ^1 P7 `( w7 v7 U* H% ^* X智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.
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  X4 X' |2 r' c8 h0 K  S9 d2 D打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:: t- Y4 S8 a: E; [9 ~: B" C; k" n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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5 C" I8 J! A/ m, @$ O/ U: NAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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) z# E# g, p: R. bAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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6 d! Z9 y4 H5 y2 ^) _+ R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:; A3 n7 i8 w& ^) T' L+ ^0 i( f2 I
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yes, that's the point.

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