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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:& V4 ^( @. a! A' B( m

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:5 ^0 d5 w0 e2 I6 l; W) M- R1 U
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.0 K' G4 e2 Z: b8 c: S9 \: U

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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3 u) L0 B3 P) R2 ^But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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  y# g9 [$ L' a3 T1 A* b  `5 I其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:8 s0 f2 Y& Q' V0 G
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why?
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  f& ~0 Q, {) q5 `其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:. G8 t9 L2 \6 t$ D3 d8 n
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:5 [) n$ x) N3 I: K# H
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他比孔明更偉大

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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:, Q6 G0 N# j# R
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  D* o/ W4 g* f. ^- X8 \; |( [, \Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: Q6 B# |! z7 p& W- B3 K, m

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' I* h9 C# [* g( G) U+ }4 l& L他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

7 n7 I2 B* T9 W4 ?3 e& qyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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陸遜也偉大，但不得善終......