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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:7 j+ Y# W4 i. x
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:- m$ B. I, |8 e7 l- C

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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see #22 Thus' e  }. |# A" C$ D
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->" w- w( y) }( }7 Y  {

7 e! A9 t7 F- s* A; }/ e& s0 Q軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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政治才能：<--- actually I forgot the details.1 ^) z( `+ M- ?* J1 i
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.1 I6 f: C$ c# B6 _0 H
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:2 J4 K2 V. j7 Z" n, U% s
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:' t6 B2 n- g5 i: \/ m# F
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他比孔明更偉大

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3 V  r3 C* v- uAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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. b* }# {# w5 C; [7 t  l1 ~/ w) V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:' K9 Z: f8 N% D

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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

1 F% g" @7 u# E% V) ?4 Y! s- Vyes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:& U" F" Q7 j- O4 |/ u( Y" R

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