Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:8 I* C' Y8 w; ^( [) K+ S8 S& P
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到4 F$ O" ^& K' p+ t$ {- g$ y
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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* ^' @) w2 j/ L* F9 r1 L+ gNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% O5 _6 _. z; g% h# BNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ U) b# |8 `8 i1 x/ O2 ^
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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0 D, C" {8 e. s2 ustruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 t: P# w1 a6 F0 L; n0 g! O) w
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 y  k* F* t! R; S, I, ]  [/ v$ y" @$ b
我只不過微小的基督徒..................., \! D9 H* u  r- R# d8 G
真的!!這不是反話
5 {6 [' j, N, T) l# S因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,6 H( U- a2 z/ Z5 X7 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 J. R$ {! I( R! |3 m6 m在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...& h- x9 D$ G& m9 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?, U% d/ q1 k5 i5 \$ s$ j

) h& m: l  ~* L( O  ^+ SJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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; y, i! l( O! k" Z- D5 ^I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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* Q* m2 M6 K% ILooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"
9 D. {9 U3 W5 N1 K0 iYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....  g  i! P, m7 E$ u' [4 ~# l
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......3 H& L& q3 R! z' V- T2 e' s" w
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
3 O3 Q4 ~; ^) n8 d$ D7 }9 w/ f  Mour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& ^$ K1 {: Y: a% Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,# x& n0 m  i; T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- Y! T* z& H" Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 ?% U$ Y3 M# M導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,) O: L( n. G  D! P; K" J
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,! t3 J. M4 @3 k1 r% N5 T
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' F0 A0 T$ c! g- m) K
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...- O; W2 o$ E3 K5 `1 E! s) J
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( a3 `. q- k6 C5 j; x, f7 `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 Y7 Z3 h7 w, g, Z! C1 d
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干1 D( T* s2 X% j( `
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ P6 i+ C' f  N# m3 V6 w4 @( u

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& ?4 c$ F6 m4 ~$ F, k6 @. k+ X不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!7 B; ], {% G+ j* l' J
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!- c3 }" m  f9 U+ v& a& o% G

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
8 D( R6 T( F& V, ~6 B.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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6 b5 i0 @+ x" q% y. y+ M* q6 m& zActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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' l- ]( Z1 C0 [/ x+ p( D! ?You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.