Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:9 G5 k8 V( P! m3 i
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
3 [! o1 n7 q- _9 T% I又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢. q4 s( I) q' j; k
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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- J3 C& v' \' k+ c( ?5 X0 ]  I  @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% a2 a" p3 u5 Q" N, u
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....2 i) J2 q; S2 N6 t
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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! X1 L% n) s, T4 hstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
3 x( H4 g" d7 i+ pcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 Q7 X( A& ~2 ^我只不過微小的基督徒...................8 @' z: O# f7 E8 j8 ]
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,- Y- c( d. d3 b+ I6 q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ N3 q; q: x! F# R3 C1 {在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:8 C' K1 N3 y1 q6 o& |' e
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?  f" H- V5 r7 J6 X4 u8 ?. i
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ( A. |" R: X7 m: l6 D+ |9 g

9 @6 d! a; j4 X# @( _# Q2 GI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# z% u6 |1 x% a

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: r8 I* T5 o- l2 K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
, q: L9 E" S2 hYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
  T. A' Z! D: ]1 E8 dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: F- t( W: f0 w! D1 Y, B+ S

# G) k- V: |% E: b8 Bit's starting because we have sins......
' J* r2 f1 C2 w- T2 X% V  Msatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . g0 S# M, U& @6 f5 t# r- @% H
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ x) p* |  V9 H5 j
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ n! L0 \& N' u5 L
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' `5 s* t4 u8 [0 S; s5 E9 L/ H* Z這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
2 {( N, [4 r# H7 r' V4 ]; X& R7 M如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 B, m! ]4 `( e2 f7 i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
6 D: L' b, U1 G! k4 S8 {7 |& j好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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% q" M. _7 b0 c% V/ W一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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8 X3 R$ P) k2 u0 U7 U吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,% C: @/ e' o9 O
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干" J* P. F  E) f: B+ o. @

$ }. G$ ?' e5 W% B, `& E' c以下是其他人的見解,+ ]8 k3 K7 r1 H( N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 M6 W* z+ z; c- P0 \6 r
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
; I, y( V3 }9 A) `. O.............信耶穌... ...

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6 G6 S" f- h/ w$ Q7 |9 dActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.