Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 O5 l" H) t8 l( ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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, H% @$ ]3 b4 O( r道理我知道好多只係做吳到
" i2 Y) S2 H! X4 l呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 T+ k0 ?$ m3 B! a: ]Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!$ H2 g2 n% i4 R# o; Q
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...." c* T2 _  x4 _) C) G5 E

' e, `4 ~' }8 e) g# C" @struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!4 J% Q$ c! w7 E$ |: ]8 X
我只不過微小的基督徒...................! H+ P) i! z$ y1 H* D" g
真的!!這不是反話( B: ^4 B( f3 e* l) T: Q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,. E( J: A. |: k- U8 s1 F, C
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ A- A2 X, [- j, @$ o在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 g: w0 W. S$ N4 b# t
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?2 W* U$ s/ K1 D

4 k& d4 r, X6 Z3 q" E  bJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # e5 d. F$ }' \, H* a/ J$ ^! j) L  a
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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9 W" g) y2 |# D0 fLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ @9 {) U2 F# k% X6 c; t9 R
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
; U/ H1 C0 L6 r* n" N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"! M! r6 O! U* o% I! _; a
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 U7 R) r9 ^$ o9 j/ S% @( ^but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us & i1 p4 f- u' s2 _  Z5 g' [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
6 a" P( ^2 z/ N( V只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
9 j1 r' \: o" I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 }  d/ ?8 j/ Y4 l( j8 u. {7 ?
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全2 t, O: [% p4 u& P+ N0 n/ Q" N
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
8 F: ]  t4 l' h, a而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,: @  k6 Z' u: C: O
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. J4 }' [7 y, v& c8 K+ N

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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,' I: V, e6 E+ p9 r8 _, T* ^6 |! e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 k6 y9 L/ W; |% g( z' @

  P! o" j; \& C9 M以下是其他人的見解,. O1 `; Q( K$ t/ W! o4 ]) V9 h/ @" P
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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4 Q- ^2 Q  i- m+ A7 Y信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 |% j* q. c4 @8 `

! D# q1 }  h) @  F不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!0 z& R* N: C" k. i) m5 Q
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!* ~! q: ]8 e0 k" ^
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
5 w, q* F1 P6 L# I7 D6 \( Z.............信耶穌... ...

* r( |2 @0 k  t# D: c+ jRegarding the resurrection...., u7 k  `5 u9 q$ L4 _0 r

3 J0 Y3 W1 `0 M- fActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....* J( p" E. d( d( D

, ^" u4 n  S* N- y- ?7 `You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.