Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:: o# [  r* p0 K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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9 W' L/ X) U3 j5 a% R1 k道理我知道好多只係做吳到
4 P  m4 f" K9 M呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 G! \6 H/ k: c& P) ]3 H8 ?, aNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; e, I) w5 r& `
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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% O5 r; h5 u& c& u6 P; R, h3 q+ mstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
; i- M4 u1 u5 B" ycheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話- |# |( x  k- I7 E' n
因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 ^% T5 e, G' N4 D3 e9 S所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ }  M( ^2 Y1 K, m) D/ ~. I& Q+ Z# I以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; h, s- s" v# I0 X! J5 v' V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
6 d$ i" l7 s& t. q正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 }! ^1 t& Y7 B- w6 {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( M: A+ a7 G4 w

/ C3 T: C# v5 W- ^Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ! T% S3 s7 r# Q8 R9 v* E- ]

; Q/ I7 l& c9 T3 MI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.* W; ?# S  l' y1 L3 g4 P
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& l! `9 @8 K( m( H8 @
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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8 ~. F1 T! N% z8 N! y4 A, ~"不信也沒損失"
( Y% t: \: N' @; I" g+ mYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 t# \7 Q! r3 @1 f! R2 z: x
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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' `  f& Y9 D. Q; \& Eit's starting because we have sins......
# I4 v0 m/ d6 Usatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us . O* B: z4 E0 }) \' |2 p
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"$ X8 W! Q1 S; V$ ^* r0 E9 X
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,4 ]1 x: Q9 }6 X+ M) F
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
, o, y3 W: H, @# s1 t# F; V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 f% N  i, E/ o' k: m* j如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
: i! T* f! {! |& M5 {% f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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0 Y9 D+ K$ r% B1 k& l* g導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,3 y: g6 ~+ _& B3 q
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,. R; N# _/ D/ d; f6 O1 a$ _! r
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,7 f8 j2 c- @7 j, ]6 x/ `
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ @, i' H3 k- C& ^! E1 e# M* o美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# G- x. q  J* X" ^宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具1 P* W# g, H# w' j0 _' F2 T/ J3 p
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
, Q; J& j1 }5 h7 P- k* a- O% [信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. {( r0 k3 L( w! P# W% G+ w
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以下是其他人的見解,8 |8 s' R1 _* y
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- f; V) @6 p* }  u0 R- Q
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!" C, f; e) k: ^) ?- w8 _3 W6 a( Y5 }
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 g" K  N+ i3 }0 `! z, g9 t% L  \同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  x" c5 q; ?' A" k$ @7 H+ Y  }4 @.............信耶穌... ...

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) k9 J' e! B) ~4 O* JYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.