Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
% F$ l5 c. O: |* U我係一個連自己都吳信的人
2 b- A' R( T8 T* o1 _& W又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢5 n9 b2 S% w' V: b6 N, v. c
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!% a; V. I- O& }' e
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ k4 y# B( Q: c. {4 h& D
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
7 x2 H) N  |: Rcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
5 o, D2 ^  C( E! q5 j我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" P8 T, |0 @0 n( |真的!!這不是反話4 [3 |/ {/ B$ ?
因為我是情感比理性強的人$ z. ~3 t' Z/ n8 ]- Q% O. z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
0 i- a8 e6 n* v2 B/ X5 a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 T! }5 y& Q( i8 a- B1 `在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 Z) v9 g6 W) N" a$ W# x& w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; T. y* ^' U; z7 mWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 z+ m+ X9 g( v- l

; S3 |- Z( Y# o0 lI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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% Z6 h  r5 I! B7 {Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo# g  O' i) L9 c) i; U- ~' B% i

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
6 |% Y3 h! B4 w建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"3 @" ~* t# f0 _7 N4 m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
" |7 J0 i/ c& T; ?9 ^. c& Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 W5 M" ~8 M3 }; J2 w( M
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
+ |. `: H7 h* I, T( Z& x- Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
: B7 l; e. g! S+ C+ N只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
3 F" s; [- b' X: t, f' E" A! i用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,9 j4 J! V) J; j2 M1 I7 k6 j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
4 D6 y2 L* z+ X  n: h( |  k2 V3 r如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,% J# u) x  L+ x7 A- w' L
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~: r% {% h1 Z/ u* P

5 h( C  V- p. h4 ]' A5 E. B+ O導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看," @3 j8 r! l. c. k7 _' Q  N" T
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,% a0 k; V( m" k' @; p) g+ W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法7 ^5 {# c  o# C7 ^3 g& j& O+ p, o
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: D3 e* b: E% P$ G

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& |4 {( M8 O" }" D2 m+ u吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,; k$ ^$ L' {2 C, ?0 U% j5 K4 |
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干5 g' [3 O5 W. b

3 q, r% B( L: U6 i以下是其他人的見解,- ?* T+ B" f" L7 Z4 K. M9 q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤1 A& D9 t$ |- E9 g/ T5 T9 i
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm( s) J& }! }9 o6 v3 N0 w
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# y4 l6 A3 t2 y9 z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!2 n, x/ X, f& ?/ W6 v
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& R/ [8 u6 S( |& E: S% V: E' o/ J6 N
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 x* n& C& F) h8 ?
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... Q( Y; C) R$ f

- X) f* y1 x7 z& o0 \You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.