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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:- h' Q, ~2 G6 K. E+ g, ?% P- `) A

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1 C, @8 g, ~( O# \8 X+ O% A8 m3 B. kBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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. B1 _9 e9 g* y% @5 RBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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why?
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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* ?- H; m5 _; t- A7 e/ f3 ?3 i- D智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->% c4 D1 E. H: O# S) o1 `* E
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維( `" D0 o% i" O

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/ _* C6 B  J8 ?% o5 d打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

機密

In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.( t5 G' q  O& B5 _: x4 z! ?
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
+ [- E& D% [' C0 l( YIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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他比孔明更偉大

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:0 Q! I& |  N" I& `
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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7 q" _! m; s$ ^$ l3 j( ], @他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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