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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:# N; V# _: U, A' l
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! E. f8 O2 \( n' J4 {智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.) a1 O4 u5 o7 d! `) ~& S) S! ?

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:4 V* l' E+ H8 ~) R- S: Y1 o- ]
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! [/ o- {$ s4 o" G  p5 }- `1 b9 fBut I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

機密

Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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* O5 N. L' H- I/ D" g# R, U. `其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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" N( c8 }7 r- K% q& c3 \智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜~鄧艾~姜維
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% f$ R) Z: ?+ H; d打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:
$ [- n0 ?6 c( p9 p* R" VIn addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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2 d" W( D3 ], A3 }Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:! H, P7 Q$ [& S- f  t
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% i- U9 H. V- Z! l6 {6 Y$ FAgree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:: f$ j# e( t6 z8 B3 r+ B0 ]

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7 e, J: O' r6 X6 V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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yes, that's the point.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 22:03:
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yes, that's the point.

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