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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif0 k/ D) S8 X% u0 |& |" O" u0 T6 R
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???% s* e# Y3 v* o
I was so confused.....
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. A" Q4 f9 X& r7 _" ^$ X講到尾都係賺錢3 ^$ P9 X% k# T0 S; Z
so銀行可以不斷放款
3 `4 e% U5 u8 h& G5 v0 h/ T8 }美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界8 w' I4 d, E8 O
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mortgage loan
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1 w+ m$ x; a: k5 \1 A) K/ w* h& c% T>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)2 t( M+ l5 x- |( [* H! ]; a/ [
>arranger
, Z7 t3 M/ l; S- W/ i: t; }>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)  K5 D7 C, P0 c
最後去到投資者
i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
; n( K5 R2 e, ^) k7 Y5 z, {7 \' o! `+ \CDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,
+ W0 h+ V& Z/ @" J/ R" o* dmore risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.4 B/ R5 @# Q$ c3 _  ]- [
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,2 x( P; H! N9 p2 k+ a
in other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.
; {7 Q- O: |4 Q6 L" G5 _& |6 `Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.$ B/ q1 Q% I$ ]1 Z, J- D3 t. E
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,4 L- i; B% n0 c6 j- |, S
normally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
+ J: y7 A" a+ ~: }/ d" Veg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 1 J5 n  Z, O, J" Q5 k6 Q
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.
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9 y. g- q; ~# n. [% Kim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.) A+ ~# z- a1 y- }/ N  M
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
, c+ v5 M1 \( \2 J6 RFor eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,
- A: f0 t* X2 u+ e# e$ |0 WA's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
4 {; o2 Z" F8 t$ k) rThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities. 3 k& U! q1 K0 X$ r. r' w
but the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
2 O+ V7 y0 G: x) h, |8 yRefer to last example,
8 W9 x" v+ x( f. _5 |that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A 4 N- H6 x1 S; J- P- n1 o. e/ K5 |
Because bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
5 z) W' N0 l0 c& t. Atherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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$ s) V5 Z5 \: m: }1 c- ~( ]6 KA->B->C->D->E
  @0 P3 Q" }& ~0 c& Mso does it mean if E failed to pay D,
$ a; d8 ~' L; v* p7 ?. T' o3 iall the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?
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/ b2 d* c* V: uthe multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
* m+ }+ m$ Z7 ]/ S1 F) Din this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created,
* j/ {) g3 T3 G& b4 T& m. Zit's the problem of the debt itself.6 S2 h+ [% J7 M0 ^
the debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
7 S1 K; [9 X8 R* I4 C7 r小弟一直都唔明...
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: f/ x. z6 n# b% c0 n1 o全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?  r' P3 X4 U; M0 u$ v/ z$ q# f

4 ?$ u/ c. k+ h# y5 t0 E/ z無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...4 T( h" L$ K3 F/ B1 P  Z! D
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敬請各師兄解答
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Thanks
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那些根本係 紙上財富  9 c7 F. O; N: X
各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic" x' y6 {+ M9 i, y) m8 |

$ P! }3 A) X- F6 I. dhttp://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產
9 d- N, u% i# i當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高+ \: j1 ?9 ^" S3 x/ J- J9 @
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊* ~8 v, y: V/ c! p( ?& l2 B$ H
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
- T! y" s' n9 W9 @扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,
* o  s* ^+ e0 Q- r9 ^計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
! M! b% K3 j5 \1 }前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
* f4 N# d( t$ A8 w+ @0 T, {同埋個市場既前境要係好先得+ B: H; T! G2 [5 j  S
但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
4 ?' c4 g- c5 [  h1 o# [例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
" c: Y1 i6 c0 }0 n2 `0 v咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%
0 g$ e9 [) \( G4 W8 f所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁
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# D+ n6 v& k3 J: ?/ E你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值, & [* e0 I5 t4 \/ |# y
但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
) E  `5 r; k# I$ F+ a( j淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, ! E+ i/ J: F3 f( x: G! P
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行8 c  E, q2 |+ ]: l$ f
咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊?
原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. E2 ?" J, ^4 B唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢,
5 G% B; u- s$ L2 V8 K淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
8 H' H: q, A, T: p) `呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
1 n0 K% c# x! O8 c咁你話d錢蒸發左去邊? ...
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正係咁樣1 Q+ Y6 L$ h, d/ }+ Z
其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業
4 f- h+ Q2 {: _7 S& U分分鐘佢地唔使還錢- H3 r7 `6 V$ q" M" r7 F- h0 ^# X
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,
- w* [9 j- L6 k( H/ p  K3 ~) }連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票/ m* m) K8 v3 n9 u$ q: h
一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產  i% s% d* Z$ R( J3 T/ i. P
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
: V5 z+ e/ q7 e0 ~0 B咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係...1 |& R! G: V0 N$ E
因為以前未生產, 先消費1 f8 Q7 o5 @$ n, ?8 D# R
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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