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司馬懿

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:24:
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姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:25:
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智慧高之餘﹐又打得
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:32:
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$ R& u, N, {* Ebut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司...

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# i9 y0 U. _8 I6 z8 sAgree.  But now is 諸葛亮死後最厲害既人物.  Thus all ability of the person should be consider.1 T) h+ X- P% B& x* e
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維; |3 D, B8 t0 m8 a  R- L
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮$ Q7 E: Q, P7 r9 `/ |1 ?5 J

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:39:$ \' J. F. i. a& X) \
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第一五分，第五一分: o# z& Q4 l) O4 |! @4 q

4 I! W9 u, P* Z% n2 r諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
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鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10. A: n6 v5 ]) z  [* ]
姜維：2+1+1+5=9) t4 G' N; r8 C7 L  p# k
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮
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3 q- K# o; S- r% C% Y. OThus 姜維 is the best.  You said no 司馬懿.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:42:
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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維. Even they are clever, 姜維 was taught by  諸葛亮.  He learnt ~90% from 諸葛亮.* q+ j* ?* `: a: t( Y0 W5 P- G

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:45:
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0 i' h7 D# F* Q) G2 s& Q0 U3 d+ a其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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see #22 Thus
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->
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打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better than the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.
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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:51:
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他比孔明更偉大

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# \4 |" X% f0 E; }+ r% V4 @4 E4 \Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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Originally posted by 151515 at 2006-1-30 21:58:
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, C; l: u- d, j7 m5 S: r( R他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機

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