Gretzky

So the very existence of a person depends on whether others believe he/she exist or not? - c2 e/ }( j7 j  o8 \

$ e; b: R+ U; P8 F+ C& zLet's say someone (as reported in another post) actually saw Leslie Cheung in South America and claims the suicide was actually a hoax. Now some of us would believe this being true while others think this is nuts. But it's not up to us to decide whether he's dead or alive, right? If he's dead, he's dead. If he's alive, he's alive. Our opinion has nothing to do with that truth.
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The question here is: Does one's belief (determined by his experience) decide whether someone exist or not?4 `! Q' ?  `) _1 t. g9 U6 D

( h- A2 Z) Z; g9 P. {1 w6 h7 QMy point here is: God can exist without us believing. A Supereme Being (whatever God/gods) DOES NOT NEED US to believe in order to prove his/her/their existence.
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I say this because the existential statement by Decarte "I believe, therefore I exist" is not a universal applicable statement (think about Terri Schivao, the brain-dead woman) and it has some fallacies. 3 `- r& W+ R+ I  b* ]2 `

& w' o3 x1 C+ Q(Pls note: its logic here I'm after, not religion at all.)

MaxFigo

係咪真係有神咁重要咩 ??
) ?: ]2 V" z" t2 g信仰只係人類內心ge一種依靠8 I  r8 g7 E, p8 S0 @+ t9 H  D
何必要強行否定佢呢 ??5 D1 S5 i" F: W8 P

4 R  |/ j$ Y4 Q" v0 l- U* t& `# p# q我無需信仰
# I. [4 W, K2 ]9 F  n% e因為有冇神根本與我無關
/ a1 m* o* i( C. z亦唔係我能力範圍可以控制到8 |# L6 A$ `: H/ F% E$ P% v6 f
知道左亦對人類前途毫無幫助' n- r2 J4 p8 z$ v6 n
咁又何必深究呢 ?? @@

fishball

感性:
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那是說人類只是一堆垃圾?!
1 H* J) p% X) {  h  t/ P, c不只是人類，是所有生物都是一堆碳垃圾?!
/ v5 h' x3 x. p2 i" B& j那人的靈魂何在??* b  y0 B+ z, ^& p" o' W: D, S( |, w! e
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理性:- _' F  K# ]5 c- ?% e! B. j1 S7 \0 v
我以世上第一個細胞為例
' J2 e+ q) k. r; F3 K/ P& w要在現今進化論堅持第一個細胞的出現方法0 `2 L! J6 C. K; [- f) t: B5 w
要造到這個條件的機率是10x10^-450
, c" q: I! U- c  f  E% X1 X, M以地球的體積，發生這個事件是不可能!!
9 K  I- E2 q$ l那第進化出一個人的機率更是極極極低
# b6 C0 r+ |5 d8 d而一個不信神的科學家"賀耶爵士"在一九八一年八月十四日的倫敦"每日快信報", l) d# n4 P; F3 O  k
有一篇"必有一位神"的文章，在當中作了一個比喻：
$ G) }  ?) c! p6 y1 ~$ p相信生命是偶然誕生就好像相信龍捲風橫掃垃圾場後自動裝出一架747客機
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1 r# }2 o5 {( A$ n6 P那生命就更不可能是機率的產物!!
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8 r, d! a- |5 v% y  h, p以上仍個人意見

brightlee

I believe GOD is in here, and looking around us now

hiroraymond

其實 DXneo 引用左好多作者既意見，
( c1 ?' E5 F2 r$ h相信你睇過好多書，( f9 {6 T' j& N. v3 O, S; F
但我諗你唔會淨係睇否定神存在既書呀嘛？

RyuII

咁請問有冇人相信神可能係高智慧生物, 直接 d 講可能係外星人?
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有個大膽假設, 當人類科技發展到某個領域, 我地可以去到幾憶光年o既星球, 當我地發覺呢個星球可以適合某種生命體o既時候我地就可以設計一個簡單o既生命體, 我地唔需要去決定佢o既形狀大小等, 我地只需要設定佢可以o係唔同o既環境下去適應同改變.
8 `9 q4 Y' g: x$ F5 z$ O* Q9 I咁當呢個星球再過幾百萬年後就會可能有等同我地現時智慧o既生物出現而且討論有冇神......

MaxFigo

Originally posted by RyuII at 2005-4-9 11:31 AM:
: P5 X3 p8 z- l8 j2 S* [- }8 z  e咁請問有冇人相信神可能係高智慧生物,  ...

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1 M$ H1 V" o/ ^7 z% m) O我最buy e種說法
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( v6 h7 B8 F7 e7 u就好似你去到土人部落用心外壓救返醒一個就死ge人& q9 P2 F, l* i: [7 c* o
d土人都會當你行緊神蹟 @@

austin666

呢個問題好簡單- H( @5 U/ G3 c6 l! I  [
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法輪功果條友話自己係佛7 k$ p- B( ?" u5 x8 A
你信吳信丫. F5 ^! j* i4 x7 d1 u2 f* {8 k6 Z* o+ a
耶穌以前都係咁同人講自己係神0 R" p' V% Z* p& F/ V2 T& I9 _% ^
如果我同你講我係神你又信吳信丫/ Y0 w& }) J% K/ v! s4 w. y' w
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耶穌死後再復活0 l# [8 ?  m+ W& F4 x  Y$ N* D
係呢個世界上都有吳少的人死後再復活0 {; n3 O3 L3 P8 r/ G" T2 Z& P7 e) k% a
有人更返老還童後生左幾十年$ R- r: w0 a, N2 b/ j/ D% u
咁呢d人係咪又係神呢' p) o. P) D" a4 q

& V$ z/ J! P9 W/ z/ I; V& {; z聖經所說的道理即使沒聖經7 i- ^& Y* D7 m4 _4 V
大家一樣明白裡面的道理
' y) g1 p& R* L( O(其他好似佛教,伊斯蘭教......都一樣)

DXneo

Originally posted by hiroraymond at 2005-4-9 03:27:' ~6 r7 q5 K. ^8 q" ^  c; U
其實 DXneo 引用左好多作者既意見，2 t- Y+ `# P% z. V! {
相信你睇過好多書，  T- f  a0 [  J+ A1 t/ U) ]
但我諗你唔會淨係睇否定神存在既書呀嘛？

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2 ]1 e, p) N8 f7 t1 m都算是睇過幾多唔同類既書

austin666

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-8 05:39 PM:
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你信就有,唔信咪無囉!

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0 |( \- {/ N1 c2 Q5 N7 h2 P如果神在心中
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) H# |0 G# \; B: o% c咁吳信都系係心中啦
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5 s: G, J; V4 @6 @4 Y0 s2 @" i咁又何來 "唔信咪無囉!"% o3 B8 w$ Q5 \- L, N3 n0 q

; a2 H8 o1 u0 U' Z前後矛盾=.="