Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:1 U& H; c3 `4 |6 ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人0 ?" F: Q: d% j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢" i" E* E8 t* m
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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$ T, S* ]0 u" r) e3 `8 RNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 n: B2 H9 |, Y% ~  |

  G2 X$ f% z' ^6 wNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....; q# J: T: O' w9 o  {* o" o
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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$ U0 D( h" O& W+ D, Pstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( s4 y' Y  B7 X$ O0 ~$ J& f6 a9 O& O
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
! @1 N( L' W$ J5 C7 D# ^真的!!這不是反話
: g) Z' ~2 \. e因為我是情感比理性強的人) B& u4 A$ |/ g. F, y% m
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 b4 }$ A' q6 T& S8 @1 v* f" D1 c
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. v3 @  |. z! x% v6 z1 _
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...! U" t2 g9 N6 Q. O7 q. Q  H! L
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
, y: r# P+ q" W8 Y' K建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 V$ i7 ~% s- |What a statement we have here?
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: V' d# d4 P: v" P  b7 VJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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0 M& v" O3 K# I4 m$ g  `I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.0 U6 B3 k, }' a( r$ |1 Z! U& c# y
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo$ }) d. n! o3 y) g

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5 V9 ~7 x/ i% Z[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: b2 u/ Z& @  B! ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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" }5 ~# d% K5 S  D) R* K4 e"不信也沒損失"
+ T6 x: n. T. I/ T3 aYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
9 n) {- e, S" a9 o" a/ a- Z. k( m4 U0 Ubut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 {/ _* ^5 S+ j1 x; {" M

3 E8 j, q: r6 F5 z5 e! cit's starting because we have sins......
3 g% n2 E" s8 O- }2 }satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 9 ~$ c7 K4 [3 T/ @
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,7 ?9 M2 c9 Z4 F0 _9 Z( s
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
! Q' S) ]1 V5 T如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 ~9 [  x1 m  f" W( z  d/ X! T
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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7 N7 Z% b* x+ f" `+ q) h2 `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
4 l+ h; r2 V9 E$ D好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 w9 }" ]+ J7 s+ X改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法! i  d/ x# N, s  g8 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具$ `" v2 `6 P: A6 {8 t* }
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,. j" d( e% g! ~, f- ~: A7 \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 ]# u$ e& [7 l/ X
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# \/ T4 z9 a. L7 S

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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6 C4 V& ]- h5 b* c4 c" s* o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!4 o6 i% e2 F( C5 ?. `1 j

, n3 d$ `7 u* Z- B0 Y不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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, G; \3 Y% k9 a7 ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:: s# W. ^) t7 B8 t5 y& ~
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 }( L+ m, K( k5 r$ h" \. x
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  u3 {0 C8 W) [9 z: x' j  H; [You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.