Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- a7 V. |/ b1 z$ Y9 b
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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/ F- {0 m( K- ^; y8 ?; _6 b, a# y3 T道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, {7 Y" m: S3 j* x9 \  i
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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, ?; T8 q3 H+ L" Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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1 V; w- w5 c0 {' ^( S9 y2 k" zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
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pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
0 h# R# i5 M* Y我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 b$ _; P$ U. L真的!!這不是反話
5 {/ {4 z" D1 l) Z因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% e" Q6 ?' C, @, U1 O5 D
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,- l) N2 C9 s4 N2 {$ J4 _- E# }, A
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) Q7 t, q9 K0 w% `2 B# `2 x3 n2 J
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
( U- c2 {) A1 N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?% I, u, N1 J9 y' Q& I" e+ v, }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.7 G( r2 A9 o- ~. a
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:, ^0 W9 E" J- B8 T& s3 V; c
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失") U" @* x3 A! [! [! n) {2 h
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- f! K) h2 k6 g( N, \+ }  c& a
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD......." \& p* d! Y) C# n+ G. h  O6 |
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it's starting because we have sins......5 w" s. N8 s; `" Z! B% c8 J& r
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us / |* f( ]9 z4 K6 D
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"+ A9 N- ^6 ]# y: O, e3 a0 T) p
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 T; A6 X' l$ z! w
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,5 K/ L* V" `& c- Y9 G; J; j$ c( V( k# S
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法0 l: B: ]7 s! r' E& c& U% {6 r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,4 h5 w, i! o! h
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............7 u& n" q$ W9 A  D, h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!. D) E5 M8 |5 o. Z2 k) `

7 v, X# c$ o9 D% M  G* w不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!1 `2 [/ S' x% m1 {

2 Q# I, m2 g, o# ~我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 A( k; {" h$ \1 d
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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6 X/ Z6 ^% p3 w' ^: P  w9 c4 N* EActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.