Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, o' q3 g) h7 w  x: u2 ^我係一個連自己都吳信的人% Z- p. ^+ j, X( \4 ^+ K
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; k4 x7 Y1 B+ }  H1 \& |
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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1 w( N0 u. k5 k! CNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!1 r: q0 m2 E/ l, K! J6 n
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....1 E+ M- s' X' w+ C$ h
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 n( F: k1 C8 h4 F1 n
我只不過微小的基督徒...................& ~6 _$ v; m3 @+ i
真的!!這不是反話# K$ c3 b9 ~0 ?; n6 ^9 W6 S' q
因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 H/ {0 i# R- R9 j9 {所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,2 W/ k) v! N  }& Y+ j% n6 l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,3 {# L6 @$ P6 r7 ]; ^! j- C7 M# J
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! X# H& C/ U8 B" C. I
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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* o  Z% v, W, {" R7 F/ E# EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? : E3 t5 A+ T4 I  `3 p4 ]5 V

0 A+ u* ~7 o1 W5 z1 A. T  wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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8 x, |- t0 I$ {5 WLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo2 {0 n0 Z6 S$ G! q
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:$ r7 F/ w' A3 l) q8 O- p
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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. h7 ^6 m& F+ m) l1 V' l"不信也沒損失"
1 Y+ e7 {6 h! H6 Y1 I/ K) \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
3 d6 `2 o! Y6 W, l( Ibut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......7 _$ o" R. p9 Q8 u
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it's starting because we have sins......
$ [# `' W3 o, p- H: t) L) D$ gsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us 2 i' v, M1 h7 i+ J, P
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
8 j2 [8 e9 o' g! d只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
7 G2 H8 T5 I: ^; z% w4 e用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
' Z# a4 E3 o+ R/ V這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( N8 T) O; q  @6 T$ ^8 y7 a
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
% p9 s) [" T. v而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,+ h5 l. M. h  v9 D2 H4 Z2 `
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同," T6 S: X& ~% q- V
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 h4 i# v$ Q/ F- y3 O% @改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
4 [" G# x9 m% C美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; b/ O4 c5 ~, E4 R: k4 g3 E- I信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干$ D1 B+ B) T$ S/ A$ I3 d  a
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以下是其他人的見解,. j* {1 x, f) K# H2 w# f8 S0 c
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤5 \4 j$ t" }% t6 k4 W; G5 U% r
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ D/ y+ _" Z+ x
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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+ U" p; a* ]% s9 |不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!& X6 ?9 s. \- O, Y; b" z0 E0 @
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# ], Z  [6 [% m$ y
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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) O4 S* w' q. }9 lActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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6 r3 C; [0 I6 \5 f0 g& yYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.