Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- Q3 @6 y) \9 R) a, w( |
我係一個連自己都吳信的人; V9 C, `& f2 x
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢- S1 z0 U5 D: g+ S/ v; W2 T( e
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!8 O; M0 J7 Z1 R# L0 R: C' z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  L9 e1 Y. }! C# Z% s

5 l7 d- W: o' y$ J) @! b& fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....! t- N, K6 j( Q+ ]0 i  C

3 D4 L# C: [7 k( F( X; x. Astruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
6 H3 x8 k) D" |% b* ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 L5 R7 t' L; `. m. z" m  |我只不過微小的基督徒...................$ L' b) m/ K3 E0 U; ?
真的!!這不是反話' R) s2 k& U4 s- x( k: |
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
* y& U7 _$ K1 H! |6 t以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,$ r- |4 Q# {/ z; Z& K
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. W% F2 g2 ^; D
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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) G6 {4 @; c$ N2 q7 z$ j5 BWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ) G( _8 l: e8 r) w2 o# ^6 d- b2 U

  ?9 B3 N% W* ^8 l( C! G0 O/ HI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.( L; Y, h$ K. X) i
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo( y$ i8 S) A+ q+ h! J
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. B* w+ O7 e. ~: q! A建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....& B+ r# E5 q# d2 Q/ j; f; E* s6 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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5 a1 x6 H7 T0 O0 v: Q: l3 zit's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ D: m5 r0 X+ l( z- f) j只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,: C: W/ F0 X$ J3 D+ d/ N
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,/ j, ]' x( t5 b: y; k; @2 \# h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
% Q" q( d' X3 Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
- h. x( ~; O0 f4 F3 a# p9 Q% N: f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~) J( x2 U* C3 t& ^: p
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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" z. S' k% ?, [" D0 O" @6 M1 d- W" U一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, u& ^0 s+ t* U5 d2 E9 Q. h
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
9 z" `- i% X, L! F' f8 i美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具3 Y* Y: i# g  _

  H( j2 N9 s- a1 z! ~吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
2 q, }# H' U) j4 \信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ N3 a  C1 {, s; E) S以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............4 C& U2 m/ k1 g- z7 V% u
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ M6 Y% b3 X0 s
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:! X& T3 [8 P% R2 R7 v3 e
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....; G# ?, N- Y, p/ [5 M8 Z1 X

" e% V1 b! r. s+ g1 vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.