Originally posted by mhkk at 2007-9-13 13:07:/ L3 \" C% m$ d  x$ W/ X4 g
宋朝王帝個個都掛住玩& v% w4 n( v" K; L2 i9 d9 T  E
邊會理政事

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 03:40 PM:
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, U3 P/ |, y; F( `唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 15:40:! b/ q* s# S1 E2 Z/ Y+ N4 q: F# v
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唔係嫁,宋中期有幾個皇帝都勤政,如宋神宗,只可惜皇帝唔易做。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 18:45:+ E$ x' I, A) ]; l" }! [
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一個屎皇帝,理唔理政事都一樣

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 07:12 PM:
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( t3 `# r6 `9 _" k9 W& D/ `+ p4 D你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:23:9 f( J; I, B1 g/ u& Y4 }6 E7 u
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佢地無大改大革之才 , 所以受環境所限 ...

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-13 19:12:9 p' O) v/ O# \) @2 s* F9 v
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你估宋朝皇帝真係咁差咩？我覺得神宗，英宗和哲宗也不是昏君，只可惜局限於黨爭之中，未能大長拳腳。

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 07:31 PM:
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北魏孝...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-13 19:31:# r; c" M1 S. ?/ I) U2 b$ S

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非常同意
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 05:28 PM:
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孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 17:39:
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改革就 他 是統治層 , 鮮卑族+漢人 是被統治層

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-13 19:41:
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0 M, _6 W- A3 _: Y+ p3 |, {這又不能這麼說 , 王安石新政亦有其問題
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( `$ `- @* {+ E3 I1 r! r所以到其死後 , 便引發出大問題~~

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 17:28:1 n  h; b5 m( d" U$ a

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孝文帝成功?我覺得有爭議性,因為...

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 09:43 PM:& c; O3 U  a) b" P& @
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做大事及用人要三思而後行,這些皇帝做不到,是他們的問題+ x& t9 ~- Y9 M8 h7 b" W* o
更何況,決定權在皇帝手中,王安石只是提出意見,不能全說是他的錯

Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 21:47:
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我指的成功是他有自已的主見,不受人影響

Originally posted by 我愛章小慧 at 2007-9-14 22:07:
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Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-14 22:23:
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Originally posted by wer at 2007-9-14 23:30:
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其實我是指他不受主流意見所影響

Originally posted by 155220 at 2007-9-15 06:36:
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咁即係要一意孤行,唔理班舊黨官員???無左佢地既幫助,朝政好難唔亂...