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Originally posted by nashisthebestpg at 2006-1-30 13:22:) \( X  o0 l$ _, A0 y1 V
姜維真係咁勁?
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Originally posted by hung414 at 2006-1-30 21:08:
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4 X0 p4 ^0 h$ ~$ T但孔明剛死時他才１３歲，怎能跟其他人比？

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:22:
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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:25:& i, J9 J$ v( z) c

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why?

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:28:; @9 S( B5 B) r/ z

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) @1 ?" @- X! L! m, {; m9 f智慧高之餘﹐又打得* f, j8 ]% [5 A$ T, V8 X& }0 ~- T

7 n; }, E$ l* A. w智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->姜維

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# r& ?3 `( c6 R2 m. P+ g) A$ f2 Y1 Nbut i think智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->姜維--->鄧艾--->8 A& h7 z% Z, e) b/ [; Z, m. n) K& f
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軍事才能：諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->陸遜--->鄧艾--->姜維
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政治才能：司馬懿--->諸葛亮-->鄧艾--->陸遜--->姜維
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$ |1 ~6 D; ]2 s4 g  }打：姜維--->鄧艾--->司馬懿--->陸遜--->諸葛亮

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Just I think
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諸葛亮：5+5+4+1=15
5 [! Y! M/ C: y. I$ X  {! ~司馬懿：4+4+5+3=166 Z; w/ y3 g" _0 n& K4 l7 V; {3 d
鄧艾：1+2+3+4=10# V. Y9 q8 Y5 c- S6 P, u7 G5 _+ c
姜維：2+1+1+5=91 a. A' }4 d4 U; w& F
陸遜：3+3+2+2=10

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:41:
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智慧: 諸葛亮-->司馬懿--->...

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but 鄧艾and陸遜have 10 pts,姜維only9

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:44:
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But I don't think鄧艾and陸遜 is really better than 姜維.

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其實他們實力差不多，很難比較

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:50:2 B1 b( N" X* N; ?
In addition, a merit for 姜維 you haven't consider for him.  姜維's fascination is better the others because he was the only student of  諸葛亮.

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Originally posted by 機密 at 2006-1-30 21:55:
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Agree.  Both of them were extremely loyalty.  However, he was more great because he was in more poor situation.  He could maintain a same loyality to his boss.

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0 g3 S7 M" ?8 h9 V他支撐了蜀國三十年，雖然孔明也有２７年（２０７－２３４），但那時的人材比姜維時期的好很多，五虎已屈機