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原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 05:56 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif6 x% S4 M! _4 Y2 F' D+ v% s
Why bank will sell 借據給第三者???+ K# ^; C: @2 R& \7 {0 g
I was so confused.....
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講到尾都係賺錢: N0 N: n: {+ {9 h
so銀行可以不斷放款1 ~  @8 j" A( |
美國的房貸問題散佈到全世界% s# |( R) k$ @0 Z( L% L) s

" y7 v* u. x; x" Y! j& x' _. b  `mortgage loan
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0 q* ?: O, F) V6 S9 Z) m  i>RMBS(Residential Mortgage Backed Securities)
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>CDO(Collateralized Debt Obligation)
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i thought it is the reason of rate of return.
5 z3 r! A5 R) Y) G; wCDs could have different ratings, AAA -> F,& [8 N5 F( S' h8 X/ ]+ ?$ r7 ?
more risky ones would have higher premium (interest rate) as a compensation for an investment.2 Q3 _& P: c: I% V: C8 ^& ~
main reason why ppl buy those risky CDs is because the rate of return exceeds their internal rate of return,
. M- q  C7 }# X2 j4 B8 b2 Cin other words, the interest rate of that investment > their required interest rate, therefore they invest in those securities.0 h9 S' E0 p$ V
Also, fund managers would include risky assets in their portfolio for different purposes, eg efficiency.' O$ L( z1 B$ z  j( N( C# j, b) u
similar to bonds, CDs trading in the secondary market have different value at different times,
! m/ v- T, y: P; S8 O; }8 fnormally the value is calculated by adding it's principle and interest.
  C: H( D% A( Leg. the value of the mortgage+the interests to be recieved in the future. 6 ?9 h. z" Z0 G6 T- {2 H: C
banks who sell the CDs, could enjoy a few benefits like, the present value of cash and passing the risk of holding a debt to another party.1 D1 c  [/ B; V( Z7 z, Y6 s

- J1 ~1 x$ Q- _7 F0 S/ w& Tim not quite sure if the multiplier effect does really matter in this case.6 I) I2 `3 T; w5 D8 l2 w
in stock market, it's the demand and supply pushing the price up/downwards.
; v; v' B) x6 N" J6 \( w3 ~For eg, A bought 10000 shares @10$ ; B sells 20000 shares to C @ $12,4 i5 y; w: r2 y, O3 b8 K3 Q1 |, S
A's shares would suddenly increase to $120000 from $100000 which does not invlove any $ transaction.
' g+ A# r4 x+ g; r- O; qThe capital loss that ppl suffer nowadays, i believe, most of them does not really suffer a real $ lost yet as long as they dont sell their securities.
% _- E* Y& C* G2 O. g! @3 T& gbut the value of their assets did really drop significantly.
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[ 本帖最後由 Kev 於 2008-10-8 07:26 PM 編輯 ]
原帖由 balachiDavis 於 2008-10-8 04:09 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
. @* b; F4 d9 |9 PRefer to last example,) B( M0 {+ \" j. e* m* M3 Y. l
that means bank A have no money because we borrow 10 dollars from bank A
2 p/ w* s0 E( b* j+ U+ u/ O( iBecause bank A doesnt have enough cash on hand
9 |' F; ~/ {! B" [7 stherefore bank A need to be bankrrupt ??? Am I right ?? ...
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A->B->C->D->E3 Z% E$ {/ X7 L, z
so does it mean if E failed to pay D, / f9 c0 l5 z4 ^0 h% ]3 n) ]& ?) g1 L
all the B,C,D,E have to go bankrupt?8 t8 z5 D! y& m' L1 [
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the multiplier just tell how much money created in a whole economy,
; F9 F6 k7 W! K9 I8 Pin this case it doesnt really matter how much money is created, ' a4 u1 G# |+ {3 v
it's the problem of the debt itself.
- J1 j5 O! i7 Sthe debt(securities) is bad, faulty, that harmed the whole system.
原帖由 kerr12ca 於 2008-10-8 02:44 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif+ k- H8 [& V: z+ ]: q
小弟一直都唔明...
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全世界都蝕錢,咁邊個賺緊錢呢?
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0 b$ C5 C2 a  ?無可能淨係有人蝕錢無人賺架嘛...- o( H: A, q$ D/ B, D

8 [, ^# w3 Q( C) v敬請各師兄解答2 t# h' Q: d  X

0 w8 h- ?( k6 L# D# XThanks
7 U3 [/ o, w$ _那些根本係 紙上財富  
" Z$ P& L8 d) M各式各樣的證券被炒到上天 你一樣唔賣那筆錢永遠都不是真的存在
with regards to the current crisis, Chain of fools does a reasonable job of explaining what happened with a nice graphic
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http://www.thedeal.com/newsweekly/images/100608_NWleverageFloChrt.gif
其實個D錢係你可以當係虛擬資產2 C$ J" j; ^' l3 x) R+ @2 h
當經濟好,投資銀行相信會賺錢, 物價既估值相對較高6 i! ^( ~3 S& H# \
於是投資銀行就去搵銀行抵押借錢投資, 打個比喻1蚊既野借10蚊6 [; Z- N; g5 w2 f% e5 l" R
個件物價係市場好既時候升, 例如15%先算,變左12蚊啦
3 ^& x/ w5 K+ t( d扣番利息當10里, 咁公司都可以賺左11.5-10(1.1)=0.5蚊,# C$ ~- I5 n" Z8 S1 {0 h
計番回報率就已經係50%,所以可以好好賺
% ~* K- _' J" ^; z前提係銀行之間要互相信任先可以咁樣借法
! t3 o& y0 v* Z同埋個市場既前境要係好先得
  h7 ^& w$ H8 D但當經濟一差,公司估值趺了,物價不升反趺
$ U" X" U& o* b6 j7 c例如剛才說10蚊的, 趺到得番9蚊,
; L$ A' b2 M  @咁投資銀行一下子就要還11蚊, 一來一回變左虧200%$ X2 Q1 M9 _& ?, v4 x  c
所以你就會覺得D錢好似蒸發哂咁, k) e  R3 L1 q/ B- J

( _" Q1 T5 Y1 i6 k. A( J9 \. r你都可以當標野咁諗, 個樣野多人可以狂升值,
7 B9 Z1 A. {* I但當冇人要既時候一蚊都唔值...中間D錢其實真係冇人話賺左~
唔係d錢蒸發, 而係比美國佬洗晒未來錢, / `- A% I1 _* Z$ @$ R4 T1 O7 d8 G
淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒,
# T* Z  c# v! @# R3 X1 e8 N2 k呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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原帖由 kuru 於 2008-10-12 05:08 PM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif
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淨如你簽左卡, 呢刻爆卡,咁d去晒邊?咪之錢用晒, 9 e; R3 k4 U' ^/ D/ j' t7 t
呢刻樓市爆, 原本冇錢買樓既, 又係問銀行借但又唔留錢供, 既然冇錢還比銀行
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1 d) y( X# g3 e7 C$ v正係咁樣
: [5 N4 T& q% Z, S, u其實, 以個人立場去睇, 美國好多市民都唔怕銀行/財務/投資公司結業4 E) W' U( E  r( _5 z- ^2 V6 T
分分鐘佢地唔使還錢
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再講, 美國人先洗未來錢應該係世界第一, 唔知點解無錢都可以買咁車買樓,6 H& t1 [2 h3 F% {4 P4 [* b" _* ?
連國家都係問人借, 不停發債券, 印鈔票
! {, a2 S) ]' y. f一個國家好少出口, 而又大量入口 ,反映到佢唔多生產# I+ `6 z( F6 t) X
編編唔生產又使用物品使用得最多, 美國就係咁既情況
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
原帖由 Jk 於 2008-10-22 02:15 AM 發表 http://www.26fun.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif: V( f' N) [; l
咁而家"爆哂煲"算唔算先至係變番"正常"???
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其實係.../ `% x) t8 L& H) e- ~- j2 W
因為以前未生產, 先消費; x; x1 [- t0 U
而家就要多生產, 少消費
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