Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
) X3 W: P3 H4 A4 ]( _# H& B我係一個連自己都吳信的人
, P3 A* T: Z0 D$ p5 J/ q又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
) M# h! g, W+ ]道理我知道好多只係做吳到
) F& l, {0 [2 E, H* K呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 ^  W* H& k3 n8 P5 dNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!/ D* z, @8 Y. e( `' \# x+ l
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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- o, U. _( U/ i# J/ zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 c% c" g" g2 F  N. k1 C3 R. I+ Bcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!8 e& ]6 r- N/ U; U  |
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
2 i6 S: F) ]/ {7 w真的!!這不是反話
; l: T- }+ E1 [7 y因為我是情感比理性強的人: G" s. a* L5 Q4 u
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 ]  S2 O$ r9 @$ V3 L! o, ?
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,5 Q  e7 b/ f1 d9 K  r7 y) e+ i; b
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
$ X8 D2 c3 ^9 ?正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
2 c+ q% f# k/ f' G/ N建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- D7 E. m& J! a; @) ~, d# ~9 R2 zWhat a statement we have here?
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8 `  f; u& v1 g% L% n4 q" JJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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3 b3 k& l, h) x: Y4 e( YI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo) u$ B- _3 u* j8 ^- `+ A! _

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
. c' C: H/ v& x4 W! f建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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; r/ G. _' r5 a; y% c"不信也沒損失"; `& u: f6 D8 _9 f# [
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 [) a& f4 u' X0 N2 T# w  q5 sbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......% m. Q8 i$ `) Q! X

5 E: A0 u# i5 j- W1 G2 ^1 G6 wit's starting because we have sins......
8 }. F5 f) R8 y/ i0 Wsatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
% I/ ?' ~/ C+ F; t6 f) }+ lour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
4 a' `( r7 _- `) C& w4 q: y只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
5 E$ j4 Z( i7 f8 W' w" h/ U用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
$ Q3 d! `$ k- c0 L' ~( H這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全6 G! P  R+ `  \
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,$ G! t' X$ E. o* h5 J- h+ e5 ^
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~, H1 M; r3 {7 S; `# w6 X6 s2 _
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
' O1 |# }: Z( K# I; ^好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,7 o$ y: Y  F6 Z. V# z+ h

; z) i, C; j) z1 X# r- |' b& Y一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ l* `. a3 Z: L2 l. g
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
$ A6 I, A+ v, J& z4 i7 F美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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" t  G# C2 b. C" O- E6 _6 P: U宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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, \; t! V) \9 w1 K4 Q5 n4 b以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ k( u2 k; k! v$ |8 S* b& B0 V
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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' X2 g3 j5 n6 b7 j; d不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 L. p4 n. V( {, V$ s9 w
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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" L7 s; f2 k; d: B同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:# V$ \) J2 F0 q& a2 t: `* v2 ], \+ c
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....- Q, `  R/ @% a: w: M8 ?

4 M2 D# d: ~; [0 g& S5 K. g* ~You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.