[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

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好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
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大家覺得:5 Q$ f8 w1 [% C6 p
只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:  ]/ b; c6 Z2 ]0 b+ i
你覺得邊樣重要?( A; \! I5 H) h5 o& X
自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,, h( {5 z/ R% X3 B
覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?2 |+ C. v' n3 Q$ j" o; R0 y
有無成功/失敗既例子?
: z  X' g/ [5 ?1 }有無試過有天份做一樣野而又努力? 成果如何?8 C& T5 d! u& Y2 Y

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; a! j  [# Y$ q我諗會幾有分加; X3 N  P' g+ W1 b
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野/ ^! i* Z/ r. c* z7 B. v+ `% r
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*大家記住唔好吵架呀
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. y7 ~1 F" h* D[ Last edited by 樂壇渣Fit人 on 2005-4-23 at 01:33 PM ]

crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:, }+ e1 t& L) {/ T; d$ `; F
當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
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個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙
6 ^2 }2 x3 t5 F9 W' A就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書4 ]8 d, @% K/ z# M+ `9 f4 `# M+ L% b
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
0 Y$ ~- r: s# [有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

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! s: A8 X0 `9 G: c7 D3 _用運動是很好的例子
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他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,$ ]% T3 ~) h  j5 N0 \9 o6 Y) h
同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..
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而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力/ k' T3 |" J# p4 m% J8 w6 M6 K4 B
而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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這題目矛盾的地方是:
2 Y: E) @% `! p  F& }8 [" y2 }太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力; y7 d! n3 f3 A5 S6 Y' y9 f3 N* H
他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:
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/ O5 }8 t6 L$ g/ K$ d' E- O4 w7 @" y可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野
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有天份而唔太努力,重有機會再上一層

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+ `2 P% Z! t& f+ H: I* g0 Z2 q; T呢點我非常認同,
4 @& h4 Q; o( Q2 a; J但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈& r" E+ _( x. |1 ~

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crap

龜兔賽跑: - 天份與努力的故事
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第一回合: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
  O/ K3 O8 s! ~. S' r9 i. J2 F解釋: 有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)4 `( h( x8 W9 c, d- }/ }6 C' z

- l3 }/ j1 m3 }4 k* A第二回合: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街. k  E& i2 J- T) ?$ s
解釋: 只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追" H* ~( @! h# E, j6 w; i1 u5 w

" f) H0 p& J1 m" J6 [第三回合: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…
5 j5 P8 O# a0 n; H( x解釋: 天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會:cool:
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節錄自我Organisational Behaviour 講師
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: J+ P8 e4 Y4 z9 F[ Last edited by crap on 2005-4-24 at 01:20 AM ]

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 02:05 AM:+ s7 t' C$ j# w
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如果你係冇天份而有努力, 你總可以安安穩穩咁生活! `& l# ~2 v' n4 T, H
如果你係有天份而冇努力, 你總會有一時風光, 但唔會長久, 真係<一剎那光輝唔代表永恆>" k& `! d9 Q! q8 k' w( A: m* w1 C
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我冇乜野心, 我情願要努力. (死前知道自己努力過, 總算死而無恨); ?8 g1 F5 r- s' G+ N/ n9 W' ~
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ps. 其實 "努力" 係唔係天份之一種? 真係唔係咁多人可以努力

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( z+ ]* n) t$ j8 O0 Y" G8 LThis is a good point bro.! ?- m5 H' E9 \9 w9 E
我覺得每人都有'努力'既能耐, 而且人人都可以好努力做一樣野, 視乎佢喜好, 有人可以一個月唔溫書, 但不停玩online game努力升級, 所以我覺得努力唔太算係一種天份
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crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 02:41 AM:% e- Z) p- e' C! ?  M
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: i  O5 N" c" }! o/ shi, from my opini ...

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" {( l) R8 J! hhaha, i got your point there
$ T3 @/ P, W9 T, E; P  Hmy view of hard working is simialar to yours...
2 {' b0 `. e+ S4 X  Rsomeone works very hard to achieve sthg, ' S% \2 e  q, W. }, D# B0 w% L
i didn't actually mean someone play hard, but i would say if he did work hard in order to increase his level in the game by giving up sleeping time, dates, etc....# }# g$ N3 _1 d- W  G8 y
i'd say he's hardworking, does it make sense to you?3 Q2 s6 q5 i6 E# w! v  f2 r

; `' c" Z- [' A) b  ~8 aanyway, it's good talking to you White Choc.

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:) W9 p7 y6 B+ L$ H3 m% |( o

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yes, i get yr poi ...

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psycho is hard~.~' k0 x: ]7 e2 @1 t3 b5 o
haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me
9 t  M- F3 @  q& Li'll try to think about it more deeply later on
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good to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:, O/ S% w2 n  |, u+ x$ V
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hahhaa, 不用客氣. ^9 S4 L  I- @7 s4 q1 t- f8 v

" A0 L7 ~* S$ R8 z) H: H: n我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了 + Q; F7 t: e- u& K3 T/ i
以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀* ?- z; ~' |4 K8 b/ ?) l
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哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM:
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: |0 N& [, s9 [0 R4 {, r. Q  }! Z  ]哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.4 C2 D1 |. r7 b! {+ j4 E

. v2 G5 u9 N! F哈哈, 我都有少少離題了

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哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢
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crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM:
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" {+ V; m. N  g9 B" Chaha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

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0 t; d) @3 \7 M+ chaha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally)
, K2 G9 z8 Z" y0 ^pls enjoy
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again, have u tried the 大義滅親 one? that's quite funny IMO 2 k9 Y- h& T. I4 p; j4 B' a1 |- C
Give it a go if u have time