[4/21加分題] 討論: 大家點樣睇天份同努力?

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好多人會恃住有天份而唔太努力
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% \! `- X  X: a3 }只要有天份就唔需要努力?          還是5 Z( p# v: a9 W/ a; |& x0 r
只要肯努力就唔需要天份?$ `. x7 x; w3 b5 m
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希望大家討論下, 分享下:( p. u1 E5 ]# ]6 x1 _, l
你覺得邊樣重要?
+ z* q& D7 Z0 u4 F' y自己屬於靠天份/靠努力既人,
7 k- g% @; w1 P2 O5 C" F& P) F2 i覺得響邊d事上面要天份, 邊d事上面要努力?
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" _0 }5 `  w- `( G9 A$ }我諗會幾有分加) Z0 i; H4 ]0 q' f: B
同埋有時唔洗下下都為分嫁, 一齊傾下會學到野$ e7 C6 S8 d( [: s: b1 w. A- A: r

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9 v# ~# T& q  X4 v8 `& _3 b*大家記住唔好吵架呀
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crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:00 PM:
4 |! |( g! C& g" @4 j當然係天份重要啦,我覺得天份同努力的重要性差不多7:3 啦
* \9 ]+ @6 y! y) s: E9 D# h或者我鍾意睇SPORT GAMES啦,你睇O下入面D球星
2 |* w; P! j- Z' ^" f, J# x: @+ C- n個個都一定係天才橫溢,但是就基本上冇一個係無天份而可以將勤補拙% M5 |$ h& B2 L: b3 |
就好像讀書咁,叻的人半個鐘就溫晒書,唔叻的人就半日都溫唔晒書
1 z0 G0 ^, K! _2 _! i: T冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,最多只係唔差,但肯定冇機會再上一層
6 t0 b! ?, M6 S/ l5 Q, e4 D0 K: c5 S有天份而唔太努力,就肯定已經係唔差先,仲有機會再上一層

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9 {. Y* D% O+ O3 {1 E- o用運動是很好的例子
! _% v: e1 R( ]因運動的確好著重天份, 但大家其實亦很喜歡工兵型球員, Keane, Gattuso, Makelele, etc.
! t$ O) M& o, I5 N! S  O+ n他們沒有太細膩的腳法, 身價腳可與其他星級球員看齊,
, \5 j, z/ o4 c8 c4 ]同時亦有很多天份型球員從不努力, 肥朗是好例子, 大家因他的天份而愛上他, 亦因他懶而開始討厭他..7 n! g# b8 k4 |

8 D& B1 x; m- p' Y' ]6 g3 {而讀書, 叻的定義太廣, 我相信無人可以科科都叻, 有d科都要努力
7 n4 h- c4 u" Z+ [" H1 ^% k而且你看那些10A狀元語錄, 多是每天溫上7/8小時書...
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7 @  _& C" B' r! J: [這題目矛盾的地方是:
' g: ^/ o/ V5 J! a, F4 ?5 F1 _6 j太多有天份的人自恃天份高而從不努力, 或選擇性地努力
" ?) c. b/ K" X1 w1 b9 n' ?6 h1 _" f他們大多被努力的人趕過了, 是龜兔賽跑的道理

crap

Originally posted by srfqt1 at 2005-4-21 04:38 PM:7 `5 x8 j; D, j" V; w

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可能係是龜兔賽跑的道理,但是我好堅持一樣野+ {5 @' A% z% K
冇天份而靠將勤補拙的,肯定冇機會再上一層
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呢點我非常認同, # v3 G  A( A. \' |
但呢點又未必, 於工事上, 聰明人有天份, 自然有野心, 不少上級會選擇一個肯搏命的人, 但當然不少會選有效率的, 所以唔一定係肯定無機會再上一層, 所以唔需要無奈
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crap

龜兔賽跑: - 天份與努力的故事+ Q/ r, ]+ Y4 ?

. X5 d* }  `" p6 `( k5 I第一回合: (係人都知…) 阿兔自恃跑得快(有天份), 帶離左阿龜好多之後去玩訓覺, 結果訓醒發現被阿龜慢慢努力趕過左..
; p6 q" v; L( c# O+ G  ?$ O, j% @解釋: 有天份而不努力, 在現實世界中很容易被非常努力的人趕過 (因現實中天份的差距很少會那麼極端)
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' ]2 ^: [; i! [1 O& u第二回合: 阿兔知驚, 無輕敵, 一開始就全力奔向終點, 贏900幾條街, t4 L* n+ w( G* M' i- {/ P
解釋: 只要有天份而又努力既話, 無天份既人係無得追" h( j* ?4 T, @6 E9 `2 A$ e

, B$ p! [4 P3 j- b& \" C( {第三回合: 阿龜下戰書, 阿兔同之前回合一樣, 一開始就全力狂衝, 但最後都輸左, 因為跑道要經過一條河…, @: b( l8 K0 N' S& e- t
解釋: 天生我材必有用, 每人都有天份, 只要搵到自己比人優勝既地方, 加以發揮, 咁就仍然有勝出既機會:cool:
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[ Last edited by crap on 2005-4-24 at 01:20 AM ]

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 02:05 AM:
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如果你係冇天份而有努力, 你總可以安安穩穩咁生活
+ G. G4 i5 i' r/ y( E: r9 M* U如果你係有天份而冇努力, 你總會有一時風光, 但唔會長久, 真係<一剎那光輝唔代表永恆>
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4 a9 S* w3 d- H+ T4 X; }我冇乜野心, 我情願要努力. (死前知道自己努力過, 總算死而無恨)
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ps. 其實 "努力" 係唔係天份之一種? 真係唔係咁多人可以努力

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This is a good point bro.' Q/ a1 X2 e# f. A
我覺得每人都有'努力'既能耐, 而且人人都可以好努力做一樣野, 視乎佢喜好, 有人可以一個月唔溫書, 但不停玩online game努力升級, 所以我覺得努力唔太算係一種天份: n% J7 c' C. M! K
你點睇呀?

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 02:41 AM:
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hi, from my opini ...

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haha, i got your point there
/ g: L* B+ w5 Q1 o% _$ o; Omy view of hard working is simialar to yours... ' }# d  K* }9 _3 R# O
someone works very hard to achieve sthg, " e' M$ u9 P7 w4 i$ n  ?
i didn't actually mean someone play hard, but i would say if he did work hard in order to increase his level in the game by giving up sleeping time, dates, etc....
0 T! ]9 r0 o3 W/ Ki'd say he's hardworking, does it make sense to you?
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/ E5 R/ ^  r; G1 k. a5 U- x1 banyway, it's good talking to you White Choc.

crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-26 03:00 AM:
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( p0 Q/ d9 k6 G+ H  w" x3 f2 `yes, i get yr poi ...

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um...
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' ]$ n" H& A* k  R; z: ~haha, anyway, i can see your points, especialy "hard working can be trained by hard working" the idea is fresh to me7 Z& a2 h# U' ]0 k
i'll try to think about it more deeply later on
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good to chat with u, more of this kind of topics will come, see you there~

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-26 01:57 PM:/ v" f7 D1 a2 P& w  N9 l6 e$ `
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多謝哂. 在我的定義中, &quo ...

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! |8 Q. P7 U) p' qhahhaa, 不用客氣
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( g2 E9 ]2 D8 n2 ^! J我明白你的觀點, 在小弟的定義中, 如果一個人平時不努力, 但遇到喜歡做的事會努力做, 那也算是努力了 . z0 I$ @# @4 l" X4 J  Z9 j, H
以追女仔為例, 一個平日多懶的人, 也會出力追女孩子吧, 那也算是努力呀
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! D/ \1 L% c# @& E; _. g哈哈, 有少少離題了, 不過最重要大家傾得開心

crap

Originally posted by singdotcom at 2005-4-27 01:53 AM:% u0 `$ i# X& g7 h
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哈哈, 做左咁多年人, 我一直都冇咩用腦做人. 你出呢d topic, 正好比我"努力"訓練吓d思考能力, 組織能力同表達能力.! S% y. R4 @6 H7 p
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哈哈, 我都有少少離題了

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; _4 I# R! m" C6 z5 E哈哈, 你努力時可能會發現了自己的天份呢' ~2 B9 ]9 m. Z/ a

" S' t, H) d" R6 M同類既topic會盡量日日都出, 希望大家可以一齊用下腦袋啦
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你有無試下答大義滅親果條呀, 都幾好玩嫁   <----- 哈哈, 剛發現你答了, 多謝支持+ {, A% @* S- |7 U. d# W8 q

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crap

Originally posted by jason williams at 2005-4-27 01:54 AM:
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2 K: ]% @4 g" J2 H3 X8 C6 @haha.......ho ar, nice to chat with u2, especially this kind of topic

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5 |5 B/ A% E* }haha, me 2, similar type of brain teasing topics will be made everyday (ideally)9 J2 M0 b1 {$ P. A# Y* ~
pls enjoy
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2 V$ F" R& N' d0 W- E' dagain, have u tried the 大義滅親 one? that's quite funny IMO ( T8 V( j( F( z3 R* }4 I2 C+ P" a3 R! P
Give it a go if u have time