Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:0 e" A& H* `$ _2 ?6 _# q  m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到/ K% u6 L5 Z- ?" U
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....." s# C/ L6 s9 p3 ~, p3 s; A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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真的!!這不是反話) C7 d/ o# p: J+ \% u3 ^4 w) b
因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著.... Y; d9 W1 j; M* F
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
  L1 e% q4 ], n; Z( e; B4 j0 c" t建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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1 ^3 Z% C. n! h9 r- q4 C/ E" aJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + U8 `# T/ R$ `2 J
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 b7 ]* q1 {3 W/ K9 T7 {

7 I" n2 u) X. v  V1 c4 ]Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo8 N, n6 P0 e+ a4 v' I7 V

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"* h2 f/ t4 O  m
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
) Y( ^. s; ~$ Lbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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! o5 E1 W( D( y: F0 Iit's starting because we have sins......  a: {# ?; w0 z
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' t6 c' f% h& m2 m3 u
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,: ~' y2 R. z* F& m, z5 w
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!$ L: w" H( w; r1 V
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! K1 N+ h" h' ?" g6 [
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
  g( s. p3 l) ?+ `.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....2 C6 X7 R8 X5 d- C( Y# d4 K9 S
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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( L/ d; m: d* o! F' DYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.