Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! W* k6 s* f3 L, V8 Q) W$ m4 x
我係一個連自己都吳信的人- [' ~9 c8 u. j
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" S+ r. s  u2 Z
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....7 ~9 C9 y. y0 D5 A- o

; i0 K; L: E& Xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....6 U- g" k  Z# B/ J$ F0 M+ ?
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....; [- L# ~2 G$ Q) C3 G4 B
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!6 G" c8 o8 {: p; u1 }  I
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 l' E4 ^1 i; I/ `
真的!!這不是反話
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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7 [9 n1 r8 N2 d* `2 GWhat a statement we have here?8 M1 v* g/ c8 R7 i& q
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' W* o# D3 H0 m
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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4 U3 j! O/ |; F2 B" bLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
3 z' X2 P- K2 f" _建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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3 |9 ~6 t4 f0 I"不信也沒損失"4 [7 \8 r. R( l  I( {1 ?( W  N
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....1 C& N" j; n5 x9 Y4 y* R! _
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......1 k) t( Y7 O+ b% P. ~

  Z5 C7 _4 Z$ c3 @it's starting because we have sins......8 T$ P" f- o5 S2 v: g4 _
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us   a9 `) I4 S! [
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"; Z0 {/ |+ E+ S* V0 ~& F, S& I1 Y6 {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ q1 Q* V8 w' ~$ X% S
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. R. T& l: K! `! n3 N
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~' y7 H$ g& w2 o! Q; ]$ E

$ L7 {, N! V3 m2 u2 y9 ?, m; o導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,- ^3 }: B) q( P  t2 F. Q, B
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 z( e7 N) e7 J# ]
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% b1 u  |/ M" T6 {. F7 K* h
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...2 v$ o: o- a) \/ R

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,9 q. Q4 R  n7 {1 k1 g, i
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干: B  }& C. E; ^, I# H# B$ y
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以下是其他人的見解," D6 d) [+ W, N
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 k& }1 j8 h6 ]# w
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( ^1 `; R& z( o. j

8 E6 H  G: ?) g: p9 b5 D7 Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:+ T: G; M& \- J( ~5 A# D
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection..... r7 o! s. v, C( O1 X8 P

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.