Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:! G9 o! q3 n" n+ t0 t
我係一個連自己都吳信的人8 F$ p' u1 A: ?" o
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
8 K6 q( q$ c7 ?# q( K6 G1 t3 G道理我知道好多只係做吳到! n  F0 @$ ^( z: d, F4 e/ w
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!9 Y" Z5 _' q  \/ ^/ W

  ]0 E) p9 e- `3 @, Y2 TNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....% o8 |- F1 V6 r% Y, E7 q

9 W- L/ W7 n4 Lmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& B" f  l) s, m) a  x) ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- T( `; [1 W- L) b' v0 d- d
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
4 \6 i$ b: r' d8 [/ f我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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1 A  @" N( k& t8 ^2 i% X$ |因為我是情感比理性強的人
7 e2 f( z5 m* h所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* a# C( N8 K3 U
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
8 G9 I0 I3 V8 g  R, X在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( C+ Z" b. c3 ]7 _; N0 c, E
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:6 w3 Z$ U" n% l
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 U8 q) _) R# w; `1 L
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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- e! v7 w2 Z, zI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:4 Y4 Q! N) {* u
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
2 T8 m2 ^" a. j# a7 a4 @Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....8 n: N  _4 T) Z' m* R
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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- R* m. t( u& `  x! Git's starting because we have sins......
/ C7 R1 o% c  ~. `- c- v. W2 y) J; Asatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ; \% D, a$ R2 o" x* U! ^
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
$ k/ ?* M9 ~' `8 w只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,' f+ x& @7 U- o. K
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,* `' C, D, w2 P; X& b6 k6 w, N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 `, {0 y) S2 n# W

; k3 Q+ b$ ~/ C' F4 K% I導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
# r  x6 h: Y" j4 ?' y好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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1 {3 F6 w+ j& x' j5 Q一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,. [+ m) o. I4 q# T( F8 Z
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
+ D8 b& q% H' e/ S! x美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...: j4 T; ^" ?1 d# f+ e' N# K
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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) N! P5 P3 e/ l# t% J吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
& ~! D0 |) M8 K* z7 ]: Z' ^2 x0 O9 `信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干) e, {- f5 d0 w! \  t0 V1 b

# i. v3 j8 Z& n# f8 O  W% R以下是其他人的見解,
2 ]1 l1 c/ f" W+ H4 o看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤4 t8 Q1 U& v+ g' o
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............. C; p/ I& M: W2 d3 l7 j9 k

7 m! s4 F5 ^! p/ X/ W! n* w信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!. O4 Y, F8 M" Q, }+ W: c
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ ~" |) L3 I+ u- T4 ~同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:, z; J& m4 G  m# q: o, Q4 i& |
.............信耶穌... ...

& v! A- T, G/ p' X1 ARegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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+ J' F* D8 a" @, ]9 u2 AYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.