Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
& g, ?  a1 k* K* N我係一個連自己都吳信的人5 P0 k- a9 E2 W2 E
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢) ~$ b4 ~0 l! B' c* ?
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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1 ]1 G4 P, R! uNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....' L) I. @1 X" F9 e& U

: X" [: a; X. \! T: ostruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....- f3 _% K% k' A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!2 f1 ~* n! d) c% O" A+ ?
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人1 n5 p" L& V2 I
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
$ d! x  J. i5 @% D以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
" Y2 }8 V3 f7 b9 ]在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...) N  N. U" |5 x, X4 R
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:& T9 D# [, f* F: L( x" ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?* H! I4 F4 Z# s
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 0 w" k/ |; l0 b9 m4 w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* }- K3 ~$ d' B* h" p, U
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:; e; O5 d+ x2 H6 H/ Z: `
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....9 O" Y$ l* W% c3 p- c& g
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". T7 ^$ i3 O' Z
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ K" X* s6 D4 ]9 X1 V$ w9 H# g
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,8 q* \6 X0 |, f+ H) P
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 l8 p0 a4 l3 y& S: f9 u: u
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 [8 K5 {. [. Z+ F: S8 {而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~2 |6 P( c0 T' }5 r0 {: a  V

9 D, P3 l. U" B# `$ L( Q. v導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ E+ q/ r6 u2 V( q6 n" W
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,' s* P9 @! S! a. Y% k# l  s+ A
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法, u3 p$ S9 N9 O- \
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
; r) \$ j' z4 E% y信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干7 Q: T5 Y, e% `: J' Z7 p
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以下是其他人的見解,! n  F/ t- h  A/ O. y: P+ ?
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............% Z' `0 ~' y7 D/ b
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!% Y$ N4 D' ~& {

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:5 D# n1 ^/ f3 f  o6 d
.............信耶穌... ...

; \. P( l5 A5 Z  aRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 M2 F/ a$ Y/ l
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.