Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:# z" A+ c5 @9 [' ~( B1 L3 `) s
我係一個連自己都吳信的人9 D. T. X5 b/ x4 ~7 s6 T+ O; A
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢* }$ j# l# n8 L  X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
$ I9 B3 f5 M% p; ~, i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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6 `9 _% y- d8 cNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!0 D& d3 C6 e1 x) a3 g6 b! L
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....5 |: D8 G3 s) B6 g8 M) @
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge...., p! y$ r. p1 k

/ J! Z' j4 y. Z) `4 o; A$ a, ?% Sstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
( p, ]+ [& S7 _- Tcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!7 D4 K! @/ _; w% ]
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 n) P6 K7 B( j5 E$ r7 J& F
真的!!這不是反話6 N; \% q) Q, C: ]) E+ j
因為我是情感比理性強的人4 z: w* V9 u7 e$ ]* N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,8 g# l6 |! ^  X* Q
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
; {* J, k7 g! `$ X& ^* Z在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:2 Z" g) ~0 _. n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & n5 I4 f' ^2 Q5 a6 y' F9 g: A

) [* F4 j5 M0 L$ hI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.5 r. N' P/ l, c$ k5 b' }- D

3 u. }2 C8 n9 C2 S  L% \Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:8 C; g" v+ y7 C& T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
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but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......0 \# N) J3 Y8 F! ^
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ K; M( q+ N6 O3 _
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全+ N* l% C/ c0 p( A1 y0 |
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
" ?+ ~% F8 B5 c( h4 I8 i而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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3 D2 R6 e) b0 |導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
; H" \8 m& D! Z0 L, M好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
) W/ o: o' {& u2 h# D信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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: g/ F  ?( \: l以下是其他人的見解,
" A# g# s; K8 i0 _% e看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤) o' d! n% C6 v0 L
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!0 f7 I( O7 j9 X, B* t
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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) P1 s7 `3 Z: x5 x3 f9 P& }! K我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
1 J$ Z- _, h1 Z2 {4 ?.............信耶穌... ...

7 ^- z9 G) r1 d0 B% _7 n6 s2 LRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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& S7 X( {( T, p: BYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.