Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
7 Q+ i% E9 d( s3 o; W我係一個連自己都吳信的人
0 _8 S6 T7 E) D' a6 w又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢; d* v% q' j- }4 R6 X
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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  ^; K+ `' O. Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....3 h( O% B0 ~) f0 t# x

' z* D' X- x/ E8 Q6 qstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
0 h  V) p# d  g7 H5 vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!- ?2 y0 w: |4 `5 T1 G
我只不過微小的基督徒..................." ?  @* {/ z  W7 v- m" z
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,* j. W# Y( ?7 G( I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
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正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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" v$ t" S  i+ @& z" B" RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:5 y% u. h& M8 x5 |5 F* J  [
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
' D4 P3 j4 N+ S, S! l7 T) d; Z- KYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
. U% K( r2 e4 Q  a! L+ Gbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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0 g9 q4 H: }2 W) D5 o; g' Wit's starting because we have sins......8 c% n' c. M/ J+ Z$ Q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
( F" D: T$ n6 [" t2 I) d這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
: A% C$ T% O+ `6 b/ ]  D如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦," K7 q( r7 H$ u6 y* [
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~- K  N2 S; V* w. c) {- \7 q

& Z( S4 [$ |! V: U. `導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
& x0 ?; z2 `( b4 M8 k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,, G& Y' y/ Y. ]8 S
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 M+ k+ d# A. b/ ~" y' L$ G' ^1 X
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,# l& B) [: p0 S& U+ b
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm# `# {) }/ V0 _4 j, I

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# D* Y- T6 T, a5 J+ Y2 R2 H信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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) c2 V0 R! V1 e9 b3 B) |: U8 r不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!  o0 L5 M$ d8 \

" p5 v" h* G/ a我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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0 G& ?" p" l' b, x6 _' v同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:) I5 p. E: g9 |! p8 M8 d6 o
.............信耶穌... ...

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# g# J& Q. s5 e! {- LYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.