Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, P1 i7 {1 f6 n( `+ l! ?0 ~我係一個連自己都吳信的人, X+ e- Y8 [3 ]) w+ r' U
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
: t6 e; b* i/ d# l$ E& O$ c道理我知道好多只係做吳到. Y* `9 u9 P* r# C% }( a5 U; c
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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7 o4 E0 T. ], _1 P3 f% Y6 r" c, _Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 C7 L* U6 J; J. [; Q% w

- h7 q0 T" B/ a6 HNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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- H+ _' s, i9 C4 e! |0 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....; r. X! M: Q9 f  l$ B+ ~

( M# M+ G  J& X. {# H3 Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 E  L. W) ?$ f3 q" O, T
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
! S* U4 O+ e. K2 \/ \" Q我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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3 y' j) }0 O* e: @5 D! [因為我是情感比理性強的人
- T6 x; \0 r- J( @, }0 E; p所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
" n$ t' F. w" o0 a以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,# W* ]) X6 d) [% i
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( i( O5 t4 l4 t3 W2 m. U
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:3 L) C& R+ i8 G- e8 h: {/ T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 y. o' p4 f/ VWhat a statement we have here?" S, u# i* B$ d" n! F
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 2 h. g. j2 w5 u2 K/ q

2 l4 P1 N0 \9 O/ p: w! I3 r+ bI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: H+ e. y9 Z- w6 H! e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ |5 \1 X9 \/ X! E
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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- F) O" z3 u1 C! c8 W"不信也沒損失"
5 L2 m: h- {' pYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
; H) ~- x; {8 l; m  C1 [but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 e6 N2 g- r' |( x# a) l8 b

0 Q' r; M# l) Z) Cit's starting because we have sins....... y9 b6 Y. }( I* x$ ]1 z9 P
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
1 `: L5 x* k1 Q. F; q# rour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"  M( c$ x0 o. |! {
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,; K  U" ]8 W3 J/ q% y
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,0 e  q% Y) {  F" U& @$ m3 N
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
5 U) ^+ q8 [8 r# r3 `: N如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 t" \$ _" O0 O) x而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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$ Z3 }+ Y+ x1 K8 f% b" X導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
: K" U# u7 M. Q4 V/ }! \9 k好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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; T! P' U8 Z: s宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 i+ C1 |' B: n% s

3 K/ c0 q4 C. Q6 ^吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 S# E, T* u; K# U
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干4 ]* G  G" u8 y) j
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( I9 B  P# n8 f1 n/ [' h
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!; y1 }! b. p+ S& B5 _1 a: \

$ t3 M8 r- T. B" U/ Y- ]$ e4 J3 H不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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/ F% n! ?/ u6 C/ Z( G- s5 F同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:* M0 U; l/ x6 m3 f6 v  y' p3 X
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....# R1 l. p" ?, k, }3 |! F6 O3 Y: j6 S( V
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....8 }- L1 z) G% N0 C

( I0 _" `: w6 P( ?' uYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.