Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:  B7 z' p' V4 `9 Y4 |  U
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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/ U  w2 @- e& u2 `' kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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# [: ]% V6 a" [Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....' b  e2 p6 `* [. q
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....2 D  {+ Q/ I1 y. t; J* d

' g, [2 J  |0 c& Xstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....% Z7 e& r2 }, n# l4 ]! K! [3 U$ n
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!( i3 w; }" |3 |1 a1 z
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
1 {+ e- T/ }, P+ K+ i) I真的!!這不是反話
: Z2 z0 l/ L$ W6 L因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
1 _5 C1 I, `0 L0 e/ ?以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
1 e( n: M- Q. o2 j7 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
5 Y- s5 P$ z' s$ C" o建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ x: N: u/ I& a8 p% j8 Z( EWhat a statement we have here?
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! {0 R5 K, R0 m* W( @' J+ jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? & J, o' M7 x) ~: U- r

5 k* k% T0 Y3 S8 V! [2 O! c* h4 k2 W- fI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
+ Y- v6 [6 m- y' ~' T建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
3 Y- S- S, _7 |" Y0 c* @% Q! N2 l1 BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 O8 J0 N% d- P+ D5 M( q% L# u4 nbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
. h7 @1 _6 g/ G2 I這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
9 `, r- f; X1 Z+ {如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,- _; e' _1 P2 d2 y1 k7 v. C. W
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~" ?7 S/ ^( S' ?: F- M' N
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
+ v: q) y0 c; I! R' j5 T改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 |( _" k9 u  g- q7 d4 V美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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7 |  j# B1 C; w2 u6 y  f吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,& G- }4 o) {2 x& k8 h* G, @4 ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干8 _, H6 e. m) j$ t

1 E4 ]% I9 s, |, T0 e以下是其他人的見解,4 A) K- |3 H) a/ E- G( O' M
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤8 u5 Y3 j) W* R' q# h: t
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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# o; Q/ j5 I+ [7 `- Z- Q, W1 Z信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 K: c! [9 i6 }( ~2 P

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( Q- q& b. }+ N; A- Z; F3 N2 Q! e% A4 {我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!8 E6 p- W( K/ M  H* }% |3 e* u
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....  ]/ M* r# \) Y' a0 ]& Y
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.