Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* ~7 ]! J" H9 G* d2 K+ l2 K
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 b( L# [& s6 g& {% f又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢' q8 {0 H% w% V, ]- s
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: m' n7 ?7 n( T7 Q+ n% ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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& P7 |, T2 d7 n& j- C( P/ SNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!( X1 e0 w( ?/ M( o
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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+ ^1 e$ U6 Q' Q6 Z! vmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....7 [3 _5 V) w+ H  R6 f- ~4 }
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
, x( _6 [9 \+ j' H) b4 t- y' acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
9 [3 y, ?9 ]. G. e- [我只不過微小的基督徒...................
6 l, }; \" H5 i7 d: ]真的!!這不是反話
& R  w% Q. f- [7 v3 P因為我是情感比理性強的人* X7 p* f  }; |4 p
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,  T. U- u6 j8 ]& l
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,/ I2 \% A% T; ?1 {: f- v. m
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...0 s2 ]% h5 [! d, F+ |- t) y
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:* k. `% e6 Y& d
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 v* \* ]8 a6 s6 H% QWhat a statement we have here?
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7 @  r2 F* Q7 l8 U) YJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.1 A3 v3 t! s, f8 B% W  o1 e
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo* j# F) r1 Q1 V  m9 R7 C2 o

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
, L5 Q, a( K5 c7 E9 s- h建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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+ y0 D" ~8 W5 b+ }+ T& I$ t9 _"不信也沒損失"
! I" v; b- W' m5 n  w  e+ \Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# o& A# a7 [* k, Z) d* y- u: Bbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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. w9 E7 O6 a, rit's starting because we have sins......  U2 H6 c4 D! M+ l9 X
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ( ?6 f+ c5 o9 v! ~" }! J
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"0 c: J# A* _! K7 B! O$ `
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,- {- q# E) S7 z  B0 y3 F; l
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
4 S# T' e9 D4 d' u8 }這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
- X( e# P; Z6 M8 h& x2 p. Q如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
9 P3 G" ^- P4 u6 v# ?) _而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ \) p1 T9 J$ V6 r8 C1 F8 d好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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; C: ?7 D, \$ L' X一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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# u' l; v  x: ?; d宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具9 M  h/ X0 m7 f+ o7 ~4 O
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
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以下是其他人的見解,5 D( c, ]/ j; ^  U/ \
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: G8 i( g; p9 P6 L: y  V5 Z4 d/ l7 A
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm6 X, G+ M8 M7 U$ L% }

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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!' y# _% a' \; R+ W. @# V; c
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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- b6 w6 N# ?! b我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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. ~: u8 ?$ d; W# D- W6 T7 V同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:  |* m. v; J/ h# L7 b1 {) y8 R
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., ^, U* [! E, |1 e

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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.