Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:; m4 q6 ^. D1 b; x5 Q2 `; ]
我係一個連自己都吳信的人) R- D- A- }) J) D
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 v  U& \2 U! A% F' h
道理我知道好多只係做吳到: a: T. E7 I6 ]
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!, {3 g3 z7 h1 p  T
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# E( B$ l* b. ^" G: s! l
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
- {5 s; X. [5 Echeer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 _% K, Z! B, j. I
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,7 r+ A1 E- ]8 k( H! j4 T9 N
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...' A5 X8 ]$ f4 k8 Z4 ~8 C8 i
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:' Z5 I/ O+ K, a4 n5 P- q0 R
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 d0 Q. |, M. l& Z$ t7 n% uWhat a statement we have here?: L+ N1 b/ M2 H" _' A

6 j$ r  ~7 S# w( F0 S4 |Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? # T4 Y) F5 u# r$ n8 w
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.+ o3 V. L; B* T- M; P/ w. e5 z
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo. }% K" _6 f* U4 H. h

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) x! d: a7 {% u( Y1 b! i建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"# T1 U0 H1 l0 k9 S! v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....0 b4 z% ]4 {; I) Y, E
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 Z8 F# {4 F4 e2 o0 x/ Jit's starting because we have sins......# ]/ Y  _0 Q4 w6 ]1 A+ q
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
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DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"& s- B/ p4 ?" o6 ~3 d) V+ `0 N7 k
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 U8 K- F# l+ H+ \
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
) J% Z- O" x" ^, [( x! ]5 k這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全; h8 Y5 t( l6 @% _
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
! X& a  t/ u1 {% J' w# H而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
3 [. ?% b0 }# b( [% X0 m9 F好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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* S# n5 }2 Q0 h8 y. Z  D一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,0 v0 F) W# p6 A* `( W  }# w: W
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; C6 Q- s8 L( A  j
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具6 H, `* l; V7 q5 K: x

6 h$ Y! `0 ~$ c) j, m; F5 l吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,$ z# A) U( N0 p- v, e
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,: ?" q2 C& P5 Z3 W, {9 k- w8 k9 u) Q2 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤3 L& f- r2 d3 I3 a
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 x* j" X7 ?5 I8 q0 X; J- R( \
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!9 s9 w2 ~( h' |! C# R
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:% s& W4 ?6 P7 Q9 h2 q: q  t1 Y6 G
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....8 K! ]& |( P. Z  P( z; e' Y

- d( R" x! p$ N# a3 w* hActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.