Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' F; y" p) h5 E+ y1 k
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
. c% x7 G( ^. Y. _又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢6 B5 [  V/ O- I) D7 o$ x$ g0 D* x
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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0 _. s8 v$ u) mNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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7 I) ]; K3 O$ A$ W: L# z( N1 amr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
: Z3 V4 a. a) ocheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) f2 n# A1 b& A' T2 y+ `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
7 v) K6 x! O, z4 w真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
) ?. s0 h1 s/ t( \; b3 T以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
9 @3 M4 d1 L( ~) W; }" M在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
3 K& x( U" F" ]* J" {建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( B7 S- z* ~3 }7 c4 Q# F3 K4 H1 S2 ?

" `3 T4 ~# f# q7 x% n  L- jJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? ' d) Y# J# Z7 x1 U+ q! o

+ m# |1 F/ ^2 i: tI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
' H  O% g: S: `! I9 |! E7 Y建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  z, A# c  \' x: h0 W+ ~0 Q"不信也沒損失"
2 u2 M  I8 t6 l5 u) p. Y) O1 UYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....! |! P. k9 j1 @! k+ \# w
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......: X( V1 Q  v& G8 I% w6 U  i
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it's starting because we have sins......
" ~( [% ?* E! z2 psatan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 E2 F9 j8 S5 G; D" `- P  t/ Y" wour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"" p7 L- k8 n/ X  W! h$ H; U
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ ]* Z0 B3 x7 ^! q0 @/ B3 }" U( z7 Z% G用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
* O$ e$ i7 }% k- t這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全( M3 {4 X2 T: Q- q4 t
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
' R1 _% J& J( z# b- r0 U而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~1 b! K% B$ f% e: y& {0 D$ V
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 k8 I4 M0 m0 p& }, a好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,9 ^. o" [, M% J/ U* h6 s
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* }0 c1 z' G6 f% V  }/ G

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& X( [# X( V6 i8 `吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
- |  G/ U( u: a/ |信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ w3 G! w/ z6 S3 L. |7 K' d+ D  [

, o( y$ V/ s) s' ?/ }1 N以下是其他人的見解,3 q# O: Q0 X4 ~- X* ?7 n
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤& y; i! s9 I* Z
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............; E# R  y% j6 e# H: m
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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& p8 ?  D- h* P0 t% B不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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6 @: C  x+ ^( s3 [0 x# h我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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- d. a* L6 f  n1 K. p" T1 W& z8 s* `同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
: [! B) g( U7 _4 G# N1 ?5 B' D" }.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....  h$ _  C$ e; J0 x3 R7 X

3 K; z. R5 ]& C- K$ [6 vActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....9 t8 p# \* @5 n" v& R0 x
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.