Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* e8 ?. p" N& y: w1 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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/ I& J# w  X! R2 xmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....& d$ t  _7 s9 {1 j' W7 o

! O3 L. O  |9 c& c% i7 S) \struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
4 g0 l6 B( p: acheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" g7 u+ {0 X" K* J, N+ }
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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( a/ R- d: Q, A  B因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 w3 R0 H' y$ }1 m所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...( b  P9 h7 }# b
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
" I! C# E1 P* ^; |) }建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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6 Y' T( L# }1 A0 L; L4 o9 eWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? / e0 b5 E* r& a  ~! B: k/ K

& H! q9 l# Z6 Y  ]; Y6 RI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 ^, f; {( n2 x( U
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo& k" U# [9 a8 S
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:cool:
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
  n' B5 u/ Q' z% E建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"+ `2 C  K: |8 \5 g7 U! @  v
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
7 o2 t4 ?8 w( e/ y' t& Xbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......( _$ _8 u/ C% J' {8 V5 ~
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求", j. \" z& D' s. r; }. K
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,/ y: }" M2 ?+ N6 O$ _9 v. M
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- I6 G# C: h; M+ \" j2 Q& ?6 h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
* Q3 I) l# n. ^' C& h' [/ x如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
1 j3 G/ \3 F9 [6 Q- o而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~3 ?( ^1 }4 p8 W# |. _* I
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 P+ l, x/ H2 H' r" L6 ~; t
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,, r# i; P- H; V4 g3 m+ J
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
6 x" M8 {( ]! s- A( h. t改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
; \  q. w% \/ F9 A美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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- i& q4 C5 B1 {. I宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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: G* z5 Z; g. j6 p, t3 Z( Y' S+ F吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,( g5 W2 Q5 ?0 J- y
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ [( H8 }7 u- ]' X
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以下是其他人的見解," M! U& G7 p, d
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤% i! q  c4 V3 Q# Z4 x
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# K0 U; `" y' j6 x% M
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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* s) U4 g' ^8 \  j/ i/ t# e不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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! C+ i# N8 y' o+ L% s3 D3 F我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:( P% N" ]" V% c+ Y7 ~4 J
.............信耶穌... ...

3 m, y4 M# s0 y- m2 SRegarding the resurrection....
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& |$ r2 W  p  j  r# pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.