Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:' H; }+ F, d1 P; N) l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人, K2 L& U+ K+ z2 o. ?+ ^$ S( Q4 F
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
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呢D就係做人的悲哀

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5 G- Z2 H+ [9 u7 ^$ ENobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!- A7 C$ y9 ^+ s6 g$ ]
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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% r0 K/ d5 u3 q6 k5 wmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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7 I5 W3 o9 W) O1 \7 Zstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
+ o8 ]3 \9 o: jcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
+ D! ^" O7 `/ A5 t3 S  l我只不過微小的基督徒...................! {) i6 d, T2 u% z( K, ^0 z% [
真的!!這不是反話
/ R* a0 u: z; z" _因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
( q5 Z$ }& N+ ]8 C- i: Y( {1 L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
, M! w+ V# F, A# `  G8 V在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., b( V8 }5 q+ K
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:1 X% Y4 g/ W" u" [. w% O3 n
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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5 V! h- ]( L( F- kJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:" F& e' P& e6 Y1 @( C
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
8 q5 L( b) d( U5 e* BYes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
5 I5 H; R- E2 J5 y, K7 Cbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......5 ~/ C/ s1 D2 Q3 [7 @3 H0 n$ T% }) R
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us : z( V% P  E+ I. u
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
; }8 M% @5 i" W% T9 L2 x, L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,9 G/ h0 P, N1 h8 y$ b' \& e# x
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
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9 x4 P/ L' z! f6 r1 Q, v" R; K如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,. w- W& r1 Z" V0 A! I
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~; r8 w' I; t! z( t$ P% o# d
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,# i. K( y- `& L# r
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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3 R4 |- g5 A( _一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,4 y# i6 T5 X5 R' R( X+ N
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
. D8 I# G+ U& [% x+ R2 y美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具* ~" D. O- P& G; N; ?# l7 o. Q

, g- }/ Z% Q; A0 x5 O9 j8 X吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,1 F% Q5 I" N% r) R
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干; L7 i+ x0 |6 D

/ J5 L0 t2 G2 p  P% D. P以下是其他人的見解,: W2 B) [' M' a+ E% B5 Z
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤; q# V& H7 M: W& j. n
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' |6 y: s- d$ g& d; C

1 O2 ?3 [/ I& d0 o信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!5 [( v6 T  d6 o6 t0 m; F
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!! f, s; L% Y1 t/ f

, ]( D) p9 s6 o我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:6 f6 G& Z* m& a" C
.............信耶穌... ...

& h  a3 ^& w  J$ C8 zRegarding the resurrection....+ \. f/ B& C, d' `
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% l6 Q/ f! [! f0 p# R0 N: H/ z
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.