Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
: ?" ?2 Q/ x/ A7 ^6 C" E我係一個連自己都吳信的人
7 \+ T0 Y0 S! |0 v+ f( k又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
; K1 Z' {: l" i6 V道理我知道好多只係做吳到+ D& y' P, h% i$ W/ P: h
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 I% c: l' M3 {) kNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..../ b0 G3 |6 n3 Q. R

. a5 m. w9 p0 {, M: d& B, Rmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....# H2 q6 n# K4 X$ v6 \

1 j5 B$ N7 R  L' l/ h3 a' Tstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves...../ ]" y' m2 V; L6 S- u
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!* |# n' ~; p, _: j* i% `
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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7 s3 d8 J$ Y: h5 ?因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
7 b8 M! P4 F+ |$ `6 ?, P" L以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
: e, V6 M# V7 j6 @+ d5 g! g在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:$ T9 K  ~/ v2 G2 N
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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* i5 P# M# Z; G9 cWhat a statement we have here?
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" B* C  l$ o2 `2 S# v; l9 h* ]Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? $ P7 ]6 G/ L7 D1 j
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:/ r3 j2 F/ n0 @
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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  d# i$ R- f4 h3 q3 c" W6 v"不信也沒損失"2 a4 Q  d1 a6 R
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....: C; b  C) X: a. x2 D7 Y3 k
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......* m" r3 V* ~. y% |# l2 q: h
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it's starting because we have sins......+ b& V9 z! Q; |( `" j. c7 Y) _- r& W
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us * g8 g  E. Q6 {, x
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求". f" k6 A, N$ P6 O4 N  ~9 I
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,8 x2 x7 B' [: H& u& r1 N1 ~. T
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
- B1 M, e: V1 a, B- ^. x- u這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
/ Z" J% `: _' m6 d  E0 X  _如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 M: V: \0 M" B1 D# w3 Q而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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5 m7 Y' b( }! C: w導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,0 d% f1 o. D+ D8 l4 O  f) g
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,2 u2 i1 n# ~6 Y  T
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,& n& Y6 l  z) U; Q# G+ B: V. C
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法% _) X, E- ^8 e4 R7 P' R5 B, t* r! {
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...* q% o# o8 ^4 e7 q( n( @% J
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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, C/ R+ G/ p7 t- j" f' e" k吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
! G2 G$ W$ w( R% X" x信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............/ G* U' L+ M) }! f& }
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!/ P2 c) Y$ ^: s8 d/ Y
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!0 i* Q+ }. Z3 Q$ i1 \

9 \+ i8 Y* N8 U1 o同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
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Regarding the resurrection....( v/ Z! d  h6 J3 o/ h" u% B

% `( }# D/ a( O& mActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....# [) f7 i* C$ \) n! j: ?( ]- t
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.