Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
  G- g( f9 P- m* O( x2 U3 H我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: J+ v( y# z' F又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢  V' u. d% g+ M$ O4 [# Y
道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 x. @0 p5 K* S' n
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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* {& b) X! _- Y1 @5 k% Imr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....7 H  ~! i5 Q% j& D8 h- ~0 K
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!) e7 q, o  @7 J
我只不過微小的基督徒...................7 k0 P8 W' L7 f( n6 O( K; q+ M
真的!!這不是反話
# }; j! O1 @$ `- L8 b因為我是情感比理性強的人9 U! @* ^8 W# D, a' y' t$ v7 L2 N
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失," ]. N0 C5 w# V5 C1 R
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
7 q( C2 A8 T$ D7 X) V% r  Z% L' O在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:" B, i, V# ~# t8 u! Q4 T0 h6 z6 F1 J
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?1 Q; L$ \4 c9 W6 X+ y: @! [% D

$ C4 h+ `5 \! v; ?; x% BJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 7 P+ |# u! t* a* S

/ V6 }- ?' R$ ~- c# d9 wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo- {4 z5 i. Y) f; e  o
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:+ [8 a1 n- r! J6 k! [4 F* I) u: I) T
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"
  d: H! G+ p5 M9 W8 O) {6 ?& O) {Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
# m4 r1 f% j+ Tbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......& T/ Q$ X2 q2 k, E9 e4 m: ~
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
7 L1 I7 F4 y+ [2 y3 b只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,+ Y: ]- E+ w9 V$ {1 H. b
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
2 ^6 m% _- X. i2 m這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全5 S, f9 h/ W, d2 A$ i
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,4 e/ E8 I7 j: i% ], U
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~. K' K: u9 i& {; ]0 [; ]' z2 W! A

# I. _2 u- r& H導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
! t0 I$ @) H2 L4 {$ a2 G好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
9 T0 c; W' ~$ N改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
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信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干+ c2 r6 a( s2 t! k+ Q2 O
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以下是其他人的見解,, \' F% f& }8 |2 Q
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤0 X+ z: ]# s$ H% ~* n# m5 C/ o1 x
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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! a8 m+ |9 @- f+ e信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!6 \9 T1 H$ T5 }$ ^/ |) B
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!4 S# A% }+ |  K7 m! I. @

, n& a. E; q8 g我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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  [  L5 h$ W+ Y+ G同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
0 z- J" h: _4 e; \+ m.............信耶穌... ...

8 Q( A! g* Y% e6 N: E8 X9 _Regarding the resurrection....
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/ I' I' J1 @  t2 g. k1 pActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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! x1 q4 l$ h1 ~( \5 K& HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.