Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:- x* G! Q% s% w6 E; m
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 X% \/ g. F6 q

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
2 u0 o0 P% A3 [7 d; @0 fcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!0 X; h- }4 @* s0 O8 {& l) F
我只不過微小的基督徒...................5 e. _$ a, `5 f/ Y+ k
真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
+ }8 \6 d9 Y- x以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
6 r* h, R5 _- g0 E% S4 D在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
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' U; g+ u2 ^1 }  C1 RWhat a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 6 a. R+ e! m4 q
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo! @8 ~! r& K7 v

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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
) o/ M7 r" e) m( l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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7 I) u' q. t  f3 h: P) D% c"不信也沒損失"
3 ?6 C, R" i' j; \& M- ^6 o+ [Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
6 d4 v$ O" B6 Y5 u2 Zbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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8 D, f8 h2 I- nit's starting because we have sins......
/ g, I& C$ M: D/ _8 _' }2 q" ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
$ v- |! _. _6 M+ A+ o6 xour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
  f4 `, X# M$ T5 ^+ L1 E0 f6 i如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,1 g! Y  }% P  U6 W8 ~8 V
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~/ t/ H. H+ x' Y$ L7 e% u( }
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,/ B# b1 W* \  `3 {! |5 i+ ]8 G
好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; m+ D3 S, ^3 m6 j  @# ]5 ^' p

# D! m) N# n" P  R一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
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美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
/ s( u. y" @& z6 {' w* a' z信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干/ |# o* f3 O. _

/ Q+ E3 C8 A* }  O, k( y以下是其他人的見解,# f0 S' j3 _% \7 J4 m
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤: h4 F# }8 j' d3 N% @" j
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............( d4 W/ k/ l: t
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!$ o4 x1 F; j' g8 O3 s+ f4 A$ A1 s

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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:3 z% d7 ^) k# k  p/ t6 S, r
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection...., |% r$ M; j$ P9 X% B
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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, l; N, _% O1 O: ~2 E5 {You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.