Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:* G$ E8 y: n3 x- F  x' G
我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到# I' _" V( m! B* ?' T4 _3 p
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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4 b/ P' O$ \* o2 DNobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" ~& t. c6 R( L1 x1 d! Y+ r
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....  s% K5 i0 q. ]2 B& e+ W

: }/ X' t' A( U5 k5 D+ q  {' K! gmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....* p0 x6 C1 Y5 w% _/ }( N; F
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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
5 o; z# V- Z$ K: i: I" vcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
7 ]! E8 Z2 S0 {: k% X我只不過微小的基督徒...................
" _3 ]9 w. T( I: m3 r; d+ N真的!!這不是反話" n* q/ Q& e7 ~1 {7 Y  x
因為我是情感比理性強的人6 j! w4 A. ]5 @! z
所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,1 c9 D$ Y8 E6 T  |4 z5 J$ k
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,9 w& W: Z# X0 x' X( {/ P
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 F! P* |( F3 j% I1 T) X7 k' U, g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?( h+ L0 o9 ~" I4 D! \* ]

. M; A' v/ p, T# T7 s+ F# _Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? + @& A/ Y. N- }

& f" X: A: n0 p# d( DI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.9 b/ w* a9 j- R" F3 p

$ J0 T/ f9 _/ T% yLooking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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4 R) A) y$ h5 j2 X[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:: M: R5 z; @* \7 P2 W
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" r1 p. {! t9 e  V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....+ J3 n- J8 G& `0 @3 U# u
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
# Z5 y+ f" q4 I4 F5 O  |satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
: K6 r1 T" r0 Q. q( |  y/ Bour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
. e' z7 V8 {4 q5 b8 ?3 ]只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
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這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全7 P8 X  D' S; S( l! q
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
0 C" D7 X  N+ f; l% J$ B% E而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
* w7 {1 c5 x% @$ |, J1 W好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,3 D# v8 q, P' g8 C

: s/ ]% s0 z, X. E* f一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,+ V% D: j& \1 b
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法+ A; P. _' L0 ?( M" r
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
( y: ]* p1 n; S. ~- E! P信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干. E6 z; D" V4 A) g% L4 ?
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以下是其他人的見解," g. e5 f1 _9 `2 A+ M1 B
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............# }6 \/ S( h; ~7 b1 I8 z

+ S3 K3 ~% R2 _/ l+ m信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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/ u, _! Y/ M% q9 `我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% X  d' ?: O4 d2 T4 [0 b.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century..... m! X$ S/ `% X3 ?# R3 Z5 A

% D* T- u/ F% _' O2 R; VYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.