Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:2 ?( q* I! g! q; Q) X5 ?2 q
我係一個連自己都吳信的人1 G9 b1 w  Q, r  C
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
2 l$ v" d0 i0 T) s7 t道理我知道好多只係做吳到) d$ l2 l. w) Q  Z/ i3 Z
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....6 o% ]7 v9 Z2 w! i- y# i

% D, m' F  q. ^mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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/ {: x8 {* d, {3 Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves....., w; ~) G4 p0 @2 H6 c
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!" G. \0 f. c% n* X4 n' r
我只不過微小的基督徒...................' q9 ?* `3 j) \8 X# l
真的!!這不是反話
7 ^3 \# w$ ]  j7 L  V; Z7 r5 D因為我是情感比理性強的人
# F6 c8 J* I- R% Y9 H2 o所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,% S8 D8 m  B( J$ X& ^  t; p
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,
+ G& \! }7 m+ M9 G在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著..., h# D  V$ z' q
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
% G8 l5 R2 f- C: {+ [3 k建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?& i' F! o& R( n( h$ S- l

; U- x0 S  z/ q; q! T: EJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.4 k* B. ~6 f+ Z& z3 b& T3 L
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: o. B$ K; x# _- V7 \" y7 X5 W, i; ^' g建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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8 y6 Q+ I" t/ D1 G& D- }: t- Z"不信也沒損失"2 \+ d) m. U* X6 L1 C) H; c2 i4 j0 ~& v! V
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....- U! j/ S' b) S: Q( Y3 \* f- g) W
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......* h$ W/ J# E6 \4 H9 D
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
7 p* H. V3 M0 E* Eour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"' w: B! }% e2 D3 V! A& D
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
$ ~; V; ~+ `( Q" P5 Z- r用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
& L2 ^& ^, w; J5 m0 l" U這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全/ x7 T2 k# {/ v+ S. z; J
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,9 g5 o8 f+ v1 D2 T4 N2 J% {
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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4 k7 f. s/ n8 \; y$ L3 Z/ X/ E導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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  T+ @; s9 o: [3 D  Z一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
' e0 I; o, C  v9 G5 F, z改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法1 h: x3 p( q+ d: o3 }/ x: E* z
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...  s1 M2 ]2 D1 K

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,7 s% H% |' Y4 [8 u
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............$ S) D6 t- \: ]0 S. v  O

$ J6 H5 S* u; h信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!% S8 l& P2 j& \! b- h

6 {  I- Z6 J  Z/ N9 ~5 m9 r6 T不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!6 r  }$ L8 l; f' \+ O
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
( Z, `. A: B( _/ ]( f5 ].............信耶穌... ...

7 R( j/ `" A( N2 W  Q" `+ f+ IRegarding the resurrection....; T# X" F# q5 {! d, z
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....% h6 o, j9 k0 J, L! Z& \

! W3 |$ U! ]- y+ SYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.