Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
, ^/ w0 [1 \, z' C. z/ U  k, E我係一個連自己都吳信的人* B7 X! R! q5 `
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢3 c5 \2 h+ h- B4 b' G9 {5 F1 @
道理我知道好多只係做吳到$ r. l: S( ?9 T7 C7 `
呢D就係做人的悲哀

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' M" x+ T: A2 Q) B  L( @Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!4 A2 j6 E' ^7 f
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Nobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....$ V# ~% j, d* t5 G4 {2 l& Y8 a

$ I' u7 ~* [! T5 T: o- K0 ?( }struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 F3 E+ ~5 L) D/ v, Y" a+ P9 u$ ~cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
, c+ m$ R8 [/ ^7 A# i我只不過微小的基督徒...................
; U; I* i4 [( s( G真的!!這不是反話
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所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,9 j/ M; E% e5 @$ R2 s
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,. j2 ~" H8 `8 [
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
$ i3 |3 D0 _, y# h0 `/ w正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:. O4 O1 H  w+ r: V) g
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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9 h% ?" _* J' i& |! H3 x4 }What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? 3 I/ Y3 e1 {  J/ F: r8 Z1 s

7 _& p+ u$ V4 {4 a; U+ P; wI do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
: ~" h) S' B' w+ P' D' Q* K0 S3 l建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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( n# I# M2 D/ r6 y& l# E8 f"不信也沒損失": {8 o% a- _: v( v$ \
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ J9 f( C5 |& v( _6 {9 Dbut if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......# J0 R9 _3 ?. O2 @- F3 d# f
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it's starting because we have sins......  C5 \" F: Y: F( X/ L' t
satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us ) l7 v+ l; u& \0 x  [9 w" ]& u! X
our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
5 i! n+ G  x. O' W3 l' \( Y  L只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
2 l$ ~2 A7 t2 |  W0 I# I用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,; ]6 c# q: r- D! U" E, h
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
' |1 m% a) ~! a4 e8 Z如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
3 }" P$ a* c  N  i2 V. l7 f而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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) o$ J+ F" Y" M$ S% Z& m導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
$ k! u0 [. m3 y& e% W& t好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,; p4 ]1 |9 \9 g2 v' P' e

8 Y; g! g2 p" Y, L1 d一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,
5 f/ R3 m/ g" }7 R9 _% r) B7 o改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法' j& U( v3 i* H. A' ^5 ^" L
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...4 e7 b- l5 @6 M4 F

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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
7 Y2 M5 K9 n. W) q/ T, m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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以下是其他人的見解,- Q, o/ {' P2 J5 `+ h
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!8 @2 W: t4 n: O

5 Y4 S3 d, {+ T# p7 J我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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9 O. f7 E: j3 f  i/ h同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
# _0 h5 [6 y; Q6 O1 K. H) f.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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1 y) [% a6 |- ~1 HYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.