Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
" {0 k# }5 |2 Z( R. Q! g我係一個連自己都吳信的人
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道理我知道好多只係做吳到
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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!
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% m3 ]  t) ^7 I$ w% A2 Z. z9 DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....: H" ^3 D7 R3 A% p( f  f

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struggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....$ a- Z+ f5 v1 m# Q" A
cheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!' U- w- E5 ~: l' k  M& N" y
我只不過微小的基督徒...................
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因為我是情感比理性強的人
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DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
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7 D3 s5 c7 j9 c$ r! h* p6 i( S0 c在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
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Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:9 a0 O2 e  x2 B: D9 T% L) A
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible? % q2 x0 K$ J% j$ }8 o# \- J" [# f5 y
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo
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:cool:
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[ Last edited by Gretzky on 2005-4-5 at 02:15 PM ]

brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:3 }) j/ O7 O* M' i0 w
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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"不信也沒損失"" s& a1 t( p; Y5 Y; @! v8 Y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others...... F: c4 i4 f% X; x1 `
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......9 X4 @' ], N- P/ ?5 ^

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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"9 j1 @2 ~" U4 b$ [( r6 ~5 e; Y
只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,6 a8 |  v( r% y% G0 ^
用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,- k% b* E3 P1 i- \4 U3 X
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全
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而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~  a5 F) `8 q- \; ?+ Y& P! k3 Y5 ^
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家," S5 r, i% H! w- d
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
6 j* @' M/ z! ^4 O美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
% {5 q* Z/ w; b* ?# s3 b信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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; `/ r+ p: x3 l/ j% h以下是其他人的見解,
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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; g$ |% {( u, ]- ?我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% Y6 r( `, B) w6 W& H9 C, T. s3 ~.............信耶穌... ...

) \! ^* f& g# o* _* zRegarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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You don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.