Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:4 S$ H9 K; w  a) g  Z/ X5 l
我係一個連自己都吳信的人$ c- O; o1 m0 {: b6 \/ r0 C7 m
又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
3 D2 `; D" `* g7 i9 T- [4 o道理我知道好多只係做吳到
- J) S  `$ u' ?6 G* [6 i呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!3 a  p5 Z5 C( }

8 |' v! O8 [- DNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies....
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mr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....
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& D/ A+ w6 B5 _7 U0 _) Gstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
8 C$ ]# Q4 [$ p4 Xcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!
$ h  C. S& O/ h" o: z1 ~# y2 w我只不過微小的基督徒...................9 l  f* u* P/ k! \) b+ g( Z
真的!!這不是反話
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( J6 R1 Z7 J! z$ ]( Y) a' g9 I所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,3 m- ~) s9 \$ n* w, E- }
以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據,1 q8 N6 u1 R+ j2 y2 I7 h
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...
3 N! [. M% s3 g% x# X" H: ~' e3 `正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:
6 }# R+ t1 Y! \+ q8 I建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?" ~- W" k3 w# }
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Just wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.: B9 U+ F8 w( E2 n4 }
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Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" `5 @* s7 a) u

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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:
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"不信也沒損失"6 e9 a" H7 L, y0 L9 `! P0 \8 B
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....5 ~! K! K! ?8 j+ o9 [
but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......6 D  {0 Y/ b8 V: M- |. |; \& [

- l5 X% C( L; k/ i# F% Bit's starting because we have sins......
9 r1 O* h+ v3 N2 \4 }5 N- ]satan dislike the creation from GOD..... (men) so .... attack us
9 F# K2 r% W8 F( q4 Dour jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
/ m+ y1 r, N5 N0 k9 G& A只要把神和基督之名及不要問只要信的思想放在一邊,
" U& M0 U- u; }" K用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,
0 O9 W% g8 ^( Y5 _' |# C1 {+ r這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全0 y" t& a0 k, \8 m' d, E& R
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,
2 e. E8 E4 q* ^8 F而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
) X9 D6 J9 A6 {* L" |好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,- J/ `, g9 M$ }/ H( K9 _) M9 K) `# I
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,: G2 z/ U0 M( O5 M& s9 [
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法; c9 ]+ b  i" e' ^/ `2 S$ Z, }
美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰..., q  g( ?( ~: k' ^
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宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具  P+ o! _" W* x9 W0 N% Y
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,
5 K3 N5 x) d; d# F( m信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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/ Q' h0 Q. |' `( Y3 l/ u以下是其他人的見解,6 l: P& i# s, M! x* `& ?2 F
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤, L( ^0 Z4 z, g: J
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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[ Last edited by DXneo on 2005-4-6 at 02:17 PM ]

ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............' O, B0 w- E/ I3 ?1 |

' F5 A4 q! B% R+ S" x信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!
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不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!: K. e9 z2 j0 P( x; ^, p
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同埋希牲左自己,成就左天主教成為地球最多人信既宗教!

Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:" F% Z9 ~- n  X, W9 m" b4 U& J
.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....
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Actually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....6 p/ d% G1 }, v: j" s/ y. k/ i

' ?, l+ e% A; h; Y& B' GYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.