Gretzky

Originally posted by austin666 at 2005-4-5 12:13 AM:
6 [, W9 `6 k5 Q% M- J- l/ j9 \我係一個連自己都吳信的人
: I) F5 P$ A1 k) E' f, R又點會將自己交付俾上帝呢
9 o; h+ w; X$ j; |' m6 m道理我知道好多只係做吳到
6 q" i) b  A, L' X% C呢D就係做人的悲哀

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Nobody says you have to do it to win salvation.....the notion of 'giving yourself to God' is the biggest cliche and Christian jargon of all time!" V; t; {0 b9 x* }

" p$ @! _- V; N: WNobody can give himself/herself to God....these are Puritian theologies..... m" A1 L- {. p# n+ s; A

! t7 g! R  C: }$ fmr. austin 666, our pneumatology is a bit off...but I admire your willingness to dialouge....8 H' X$ S; h' n; f& B. v1 x

1 R$ V% a) u8 r/ k7 x; dstruggle with him and try to understand him.... that's my journey....may it be yours one day.

brightlee

yes, of cos, we are limitation. and we cannot 'trust' or 'save' ourselves.....
9 N# m; N' Z6 Z- Dcheer up.... and find the truth in HIM

pakho

估唔到brightlee對足球咁熟識~~~連哲學都咁熟~~~~~~樣樣掂~~~~

brightlee

我哲學就唔掂啦!9 `0 z* \7 C5 K. O; v( a4 `' ^- s
我只不過微小的基督徒.................... h  Y3 ^& z0 G" j
真的!!這不是反話3 b9 T, X6 o3 e9 s, g
因為我是情感比理性強的人
5 q0 C! V2 P  n7 u所以哲學是不成的

DXneo

建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失,
! l8 d2 C0 W$ w0 ]以一本七拼八“揪”的故事,作為真理有欠理據," t6 `( M) r% U. x! F. B
在只有二千年的歷史中,不斷引起戰爭,屠殺,酷刑,權力鬥爭,強奪金錢,奴第...等等罪行,到現在還進行著...1 L1 ^6 c  w2 A/ J3 ^8 M: ]+ F' j
正是萬惡之源

Gretzky

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-5 11:42 AM:! v6 l; l5 |9 |0 }
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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What a statement we have here?
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: f6 l' {5 w. c& s) i0 b. e8 IJust wondering, what do you know about the syntax of ancient Greek, Hebrew and the history of the canonization of the bible?
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I do agree with the bloodshed part....and my respond that this was posted a page ago in this thread.
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/ w6 a, J8 a3 T7 H  w+ g7 m6 ~Looking forward to see the support of your thesis. mr/ms Dxneo" ^* J+ i' x! \8 P0 i6 {
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brightlee

Originally posted by DXneo at 2005-4-6 09:42:& C( k/ R: c+ ~
建立在虚假,謊言上的教派,不信也沒損失 ...

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4 r2 _. q  ^. M5 T6 R) c"不信也沒損失": ]4 C# d$ J: i- }' x+ y
Yes, we can't "control" the religions from others.....
$ _/ R+ t- m3 ]4 ~) C0 {but if we look positively, we should find out the truth.. of GOD.......
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it's starting because we have sins......
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our jealous, our selfish.. etc... to let us unlike charatertists GOD

DXneo

"他們都見證了一個人生命的轉變，就是一位年青人的心智從謊言和教條轉向對真相樸實的追求"
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$ L. x( p+ c" S. c用一些“腦”來看一看書中人的所說所作所為,$ I' v! i1 z! ]9 n- ]( |" j
這些只可說是故事,古猶太神話大全% ]4 G% h! i- z6 c2 c: x
如果把神和基督之名代入中國神話,更加神乎其神啦,6 G0 T" K) R& i) i& `4 A. m. K! r
而中國五千年歷史也沒有大洪水浸沒全國,書要多看一點其他的~~
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導人向善的道理可多多學習,無理的要求或信條不肖一看,
5 k: }$ z) U- c3 h0 Y" u, [, l好的宗教不必強迫人說認同,
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一直以宗教作“尋”略的西方國家,( h1 H  t( o  G" r. [0 ?4 h
改了方式但還離不開強列排他及非教友即罪(歒)人的作法
, g" v5 y* F8 f6 o: n* m美國的“布樹”更以救世信徒的姿態宣傳,開戰...
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& ~& v: g1 N& q( }9 s) n宗教只是西方歷史上權力的道具
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吹水吹太多了,我看不必要花時間找理據了,8 S" `0 @5 E  \  \7 ^$ q8 ~
信是你的事,不信是我的事,我既有言論宗教自由,與你何干
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6 G/ O* b$ P8 y3 q1 ]( k以下是其他人的見解,. ?: T9 ?* J1 D, N, [
看一下神的先知門徒在記錄他們偉大信仰的錯誤- |: ]6 Q; c* u; i8 X5 o& K* F
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/buybo.htm
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ilovefuckingyou

.............信耶穌..............只係心靈上既寄託............
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信左,如果開心d,積極d,咪信囉! 0每個人有自己選擇!9 ^3 H3 [4 V6 h2 h

. M( [5 G! @8 s不過唔好吹噓到真係甘"神"!!!$ i# r% r/ K5 d
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我信"耶穌"真係出現過係世上...不過係1個自以為係"神之子"既宗教狂熱分子!!!
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Gretzky

Originally posted by ilove---you at 2005-4-5 07:06 PM:
% _+ K9 X' H1 R.............信耶穌... ...

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Regarding the resurrection....4 W" O, u- X" I5 v0 S$ f3 l6 z; d

7 _' k1 P( d# c4 H. g/ J& h- }- v; X1 OActually even the Roman government had refereces of the resurrection account of Jesus. The great historian Josephus did some sociological and religious studies in the 1st Century....
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# N1 W' b! V8 J; tYou don't have to believe...but take a look at the historical documents before putting some horrendous claims, please.